• Liars don't always lie – using layer logic?


    I had created a thread with a similar topic
    https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/10641/how-the-greatest-lies-contain-the-greatest-truths

    I am going to copy the relevant part. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it.

    Let's start with a logical paradox:

    > "I always lie"

    Here is the problem with this statement:

    - If that statement is a lie: then I lied about "always lying", which means I must have told the truth at some point.
    - If that statement is the true: then I don't always lie, because I just told the truth.

    Thus one can never say "I always lie"

    Now let's add a bit of truth to the first statement.

    > "I mostly lie"

    Hopefully you don't know people in your life who mostly lie. But it's still possible for someone to do so.
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  • My rules of news


    Curiosity exhaustion. Very simply in today's world we are overwhelmed with information, and when we are beyond our capacity to process, distinguishing between the simplest facts is impossible. The set of rules are meant to avoid this faith.

    There should definitely be ways to take in news in an biased manner. I have been thinking of two methods, computer algorithms and human algorithms. We might needs algorithms to fight algorithms. Hopefully someone can create a software product to do this for us. The human algorithm is just hearing news from friends.

    Either way I haven't found a good solution yet.
  • Liars punishment is not the disbelief of others, rather he will not know what to believe of himself.


    I knew it was a lie. As I sold the lie to other, I subconsciously sold the lie it to myself.

    I respect you, in which case you deserve the truth, or I don't give a damn, in which case I cannot be bothered to create a lie, so you get the truth.Book273

    I don't know if this is in my head, but I feel like others pickup on this attitude, and thus pickup on your honesty.
  • Can existence be validated without sensory
    Can a mind without senses still "i think therefore i am"?
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths


    Cool, that makes sense. Thank you for the explanation.
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths


    Okay, I think I get what your saying.

    So if a statement cannot have a counter example, then it has no utility?
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths
    I guess you cannot extract reality itself just to compare it with false or the absence of realityjavi2541997

    I really like that idea. It's so meta.
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths


    It's a statement that only needs one counter example to be falsified, and that counter example lives within the statement itself.

    Why can't you verify the statement "I always lie"? Perhaps you are an all knowing god, and you can verify that statement.
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths
    From what I have read, individuals born with visual impairment do not have the concept of light or darkness. It's hard for us to imagine because when we think of nothingness we think of darkness. In their reality the concept of dark/light does not exist.

    For me who is visually able, the room is light. This is because the concept of darkness does exist for me outside of that room. Now if darkness did not exist outside of that room, perhaps I would be like the visually impaired individual.

    We are talking about two types of existence between a visually able / disabled in the room.

    Give an example of a truth that can exist on it's own.synthesis

    If I say "I always tell the truth" that statement could exist on it's own.

    It's possible for an individual to say "I always tell the truth" and actually always do say the truth.

    I do not need to add a lie anywhere in that statement to make it work. No logical paradox.
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths


    Can you help expand on that idea?

    I assumed that quote did have an intrinsic true/false value because it is a statement that can be verified.

    What does have intrinsic truth/false?
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths


    Maybe one idea cannot exist without the opposite of that idea. For example, you cannot have the concept of darkness without light. Although you can have a totally dark room, which is defined as the lack of co-existence of light.

    Moving away from the light analogy. What I would like to discuss is that in a self contained boundary, a complete lie cannot exist, but in the same self contained boundary the complete truth can exist on it's own.
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths


    Another view is that lies are the absence of truth.

    if we make a connection between truth and reality. Then we could suggest that the polar opposite of truth is none existence.

    In this way, a lie is just a slider that measure how close we are to the truth.
  • How the greatest lies contain the greatest truths


    It's good that we are thinking about recycling. We should continue to advance this technology even if it is not perfect right now, because hopefully one day it will be.

    The truth that "all of our waste could be recycled" add more potency to the lie "we should be recycling right now"

    As you said, we do not have the economics to handle the recycling that we have. We are being pushed to create larger and larger systems of recycling which do not produce the results that we want.

    Recycling reduces our guilt of using plastic, and it gives us a moral pass. As a result we consume more plastic and recycle more; which as of right now actually damages the environment