@TheMadFool

Observation & common sense - killing combination, Sherlock! — TheMadFool

Isn't it? Purely elementary! Something educated idiots can learn about.

BTW sarcasm and wit, which yours truly can use if the need be, isn't a quality he cherishes or cares for. As it has the stench of subtle violence. Let's see if we can put that aside.

@TheMadFool

As to using mathematics, i am not sure we have to be an educated idiot when we can use simple ways like observation and common sense to arrive at the same determinations. But it's just my take. Doesn't have to be anyone else's.

:ok: You seem to be in a not-so-good mood. I'll leave you to cool off, if that's even possible. I'm pleasantly surprised that I'm on your radar but don't waste your time on people like me. I'm sure you have better things to do than that! Right? — TheMadFool

Now that you put it that way, it's likely you have seen me share my thoughts on the subject matter of present discussion. It's few comments back, probably in the previous page.

Go back to what you are good at, i.e, posting videos about "enough talk, let's fight". Get a seat in the peanut gallery and watch the big boys.

Not sure why you are tagging me on a post which was clearly on a different context, and addressed to the OP, And also why you are asking me to see your previous post. Are you seeking a discussion. Because last time you tried that, i am guessing it didn't go well for you.

HI Tom

BTW this is in regards to what someone else had said.

@Deus

I am not condoning what's being said and done in this thread, not that it's important whether I do or not. Just clarifying. It's common to see people jump into bandwagons, steal the logic, arguments, and words one uses or makes....but you know when someone agrees to be fine with "non-knowing" then they shouldn't even be speaking about things as if they know. And then backtrack and say "oh i am fine with not-knowing". After spending a day going back and forth this kind of dishonesty is just silly. Don't you think?

On a more serious note, i think you will agree that "not-knowing" cannot be claimed by any TDH, as it requires one to exhaust the entire field and go beyond the frontiers by one's own effort. So it isn't a cheap and weak claim like "oh i am ok with not-knowing". Only someone that has exhausted the limits of knowing can make that claim, right?

Sorry i came back, it was tempting.

But you stated it as fact and said it's the reason for atheist. — Cheshire

Well, an inquiry into "facts" is ideal if anyone wants to borrow that word. Because often non-facts are confused or masked as facts.

@Deus

Alright., i have no investment in this game....so will remove myself.

Mere technicality, don't get lost in silliness.

Hearsay is silly.

Nonsense

@Deus
So......let's get back to the intelligence of intelligences.

It seems to me there is no "better" and the "best".

Not knowing isn't the same as knowing. Whether that knowing affirms or denies.

There is simply the fact, or the non-fact (belief). Anyone that sets aside facts isn't reason-able, whether they affirm or deny

Then the question may be, language being limited, therefore thought/thinking being limited, cannot contain anything that is beyond language. Therefore it cannot contain silence. There can never be a language of silence.

Can humans ever grasp how other living organisms perceive their environment? — Lord Paw

Humans have yet to completely understand how they perceive their environment, much less how other organisms do.

I realised that my thinking was heavily influenced by my language — Lord Paw

They seem to be one.

Aren't you the the self proclaimed resident tough guy who was running his mouth here . This the extent of your fight then huh. But then one already knew that. Are we having fun yet? I haven't even started. Just warming up to you. But the offer stands to meet in neutral grounds.

The offer to meet the bear in wilderness stands, anytime you want. You know where to find me, molly.

You forgot to ping 3017amen — praxis

And you are here to ping the conflict, huh. Once a sissy always a sissy. Must feel great being you.

Humans are not motivated by sensations of dis-ease, dissatisfaction, pain, or suffering. — Isaac

This is categorically untrue. Your "pursuit of happiness" originates/has them ( dis-ease, dissatisfaction, pain, or suffering) as the foundation. Which means ALL your activities are motivated by these. Not being able to see this simple fact is a case of cognitive denial/

I think I'd prefer to have been not been embodied in the first place — Inyenzi

Do you really? If you honesty ask yourself?

If one takes people and society out of the mix, will you still feel that way?

If the psyche was completely healed from the scars and made fresh, will you still feel that way?

Edit: To be clear, i understand what you are pointing to, though.

There is the alternative to embodiment, but one doesn't think any normal person would want/choose it, unless there is something wrong with them.

Unfortunately, people like you can use them stupidly. — praxis

Go back to playing with your cartoons.

Ah, but labeling and social norms can be handy, can't they "sissy" man? — praxis

Absolutely. They are needed and can be used, when required to give someone like you a reality check. Which is why that phrase was correctly used in your case.

The OP seems to be asking why do we measure with the "good example"? It seems to me we do it as part of measurement and meaning. Except, i would substitute the words "good example" with 'ideal example'. The ideal example sets the correct standard from which you will measure, which is why it's used. The ideal example assigns the right value to that which is being measured. But the need for measurement and 'labeling' drops if you do not wish to do either.

No PM? That's what i thought!

I will let you carry on. Again, it was a pleasure doing this reality check for you.

Sure, whatever works for you. If you cannot do it, you can always continue with your trolling here. Maybe play with some more cartoons eh. I won't hold it against you.

Actually i do live in southern Cali. Feel free to PM me if you wish.

That's what i thought!

This is what happens when one is nothing but a washed up sissy running his-her mouth behind anonymity. I am glad we did a reality check.

Let me guess. It’s a thought, and thought is a product of thinking, and thinking is the cause of all human suffer’n. Better to stick with the bear necessities, the simple bear necessities, and forget about your worries and your strife! — praxis

But see sissies can’t stick with the bear necessities! They will have to meet a bear in the wilderness (not in captivity), who will then remind them, they aren’t bears, but simply sissies acting as bears behind anonymity. They will need to be educated on the way of the bear.

The question then is, can the sissy find the rocks to meet the bear in the wilderness? If they can, then they know where (the address has been given) to meet. Upon meeting the bear in wilderness these sissies will find they can squirm in ways they didn’t think was possible, and will start praying to whatever god they believe in. Maybe then we can discuss about god. Anyone up for the challenge?

Who/what is god?

Well, maybe you and the eminent/esteemed philosophers in this microcosm *cough* can start by investigating the nature of relationship first, yes?. Are the said philosophers clear on it? Then may be investigate the nature of meaning, yes? Investigation first, conclusion later, right? Just a suggestion, has no authority.

Since Antiquity, multiple philosophers and religions like Shinto have speculated on the value of nature. Some think that nature only has instrumental value, others think that all of nature has intrinsic value.

So, what do you think the answer is? Does nature have any value, whether it is instrumental or intrinsic? — Hello Human

Everything exists because of and in nature. Everything we use has been derived from nature. Nature can live without us (us, who in our arrogance think we can judge/measure it), not vice versa. That ought to rest the case.

Right, i was waiting for that shift from the topic to the person.Says it all.
— skyblack

Yes you are right, it is irritating when people start to get personal and insulting instead of discussing the topic.
Here is a very good example of someone doing exactly that.

Carry on.
— skyblack

Being dismissive is one of the easiest ways out for someone that has their head so far up their butt that they think the light they see is the brilliance of their intellect. The truth is that what they really see is the light shining though their ears into the empty space where their brain should be — Sir2u

When the participant IS in that state, as you so excellently describe above and has demonstrated it, as you have, and also has a history of the being part of a terrorist group engaging in acts of terrorism, in context of what we have already discussed, dismissing them politely is about the best alternative available to one who understands the value of correct usage of energy and time. Now, carry on. I will let you figure what that means this time.

I don't need that either. But it serves as a good example of your conformity to society. — Sir2u

Right, i was waiting for that shift from the topic to the person.Says it all.

Best comedy films ever made in England.

But in case you are trying to give me permission, I don't need it. — Sir2u

it was my way of politely saying you are dismissed.

Carry on.

One can adjust without conformity. That is what many terrorist do. And we all know how good they are for society. — Sir2u

Aren't you part of that group of terrorists? Look a bit closer. Aren't you part of the sickness you call society? Surely the sick society has it's marks all over you (and people like you), doesn't it? The evidence is In your acts of violence towards others, whether obvious and subtle. If you cannot terrorize someone physically you will try to do it with a gesture, a word, some remark. The society tortures you and you torture the society. In essence that's the game, isn't it.

This is what happens when you adjust to a sick society. You become part of that sickness.You become part of that group of terrorists and the terrorism. You don't have to go too far, the microcosm of this forum strikingly and perhaps pathetically mirrors the world outside.