It is real what is real to me.What is real? — A Realist
Because it is real to me. :smile:And how can you know that for real? — A Realist
When have I denied the existence of a kilometer or other unint of measurement?It's odd to assume time and space are really infinite and discontinuous on one hand, then deny the existence of a kilometer. — Nils Loc
In its strict and basic sense, freedom is absence of obstacles.I wonder how clear everyone is on what we mean by this word and to what extent our understanding of the concept overlaps. — Vera Mont
No. Life is plenty of obstacles. There are always counter-forces.Is it possible for anyone to have total freedom? — Vera Mont
Covered above.What kinds of freedom can a person have? — Vera Mont
:up:According to your basis, free will always pushes us to commit sins. Only in a predetermined life would we all be perfect then? — javi2541997
What do you mean "apart from him not existing"?Any other complaints about god …apart from him not existing ? — simplyG
Because there is no start or end in other of them. Neither any point in the middle. At least we cannot define any of them, therefore we cannot assume that they exist.Why is it right to conclude that time and space are really infinite and continuous rather than discrete and discontinuous? — Nils Loc
Right.Either of these abstract properties are just mathematical inventions/conventions which prove to be useful. — Nils Loc
I talked about "measurement" above.Time and space can obviously be divided (measured in units) — Nils Loc
It's always about "measurement".If time is infinite, it's still divisible by seconds in relation the diurnal or lunar cycle. — Nils Loc
It's always about "measurement".If space is infinite, it's still divisible by length of feet in relation to how much horse food, water or minutes it takes to get to town. — Nils Loc
I can't really say. But from what I can easily see, you are using "measurement" as an indication and/or proof of the finiteness and discreteness of time and space. This is a very common mistake or, better, an illusion. We meet all kinds of "measurements" of time and space in millions of things everyday in hour life since eons ago. So they have become substitutes of the concepts of time and space themselves ...So what am I missing? — Nils Loc
I undestand that you mean this in a figurative way. But still, you have not answered any question. I have mentioned Zeno's Achilles and the Tortoise paradox as a challenge for "spotting the falacy" which is the motto of this topic. Your message has nothing to do with that. It's just out of place and time.I already answered your question 5 years ago: — Benkei
It is actually very simple. (Describing it sounds more complicated though. :smile:)What passes as a rigorous explanation for why Zeno's paradox isn't a paradox? — Nils Loc
This is exactly the point: There are no finite distances or tile periods. It is we who arbitrarily define them as such for the purposes of description or physical phenomena, geometric problems, etc., based on measuring units, which we have arbitrarily created, such as meter, yard, day, hour, etc.One can race a man against a turtle and see that men and turtles traverse finite distances over time. — Nils Loc
Exactly, it's just a dream. :smile:This is the dream of some mathematician, who introduces infinity as a problem to a real world scenario. If a finite distance is infinitely divisible in the realm of maths, so be it, but it doesn't apply in a way that makes motion in time impossible — Nils Loc
Please read again what I said: "Neither is the mind a product of or resides in the brain.So you mean you have a brain and there's still a mind in there? — Wolfgang
Not only Descartes. No one can find the find somewhere. Because "somewhere" refers to a place, even ith that place is not specified or determined. But space is physical and, as I mentioned, mind is non-physical. So it doesn't reside in any place. Therfore it can't be found.Even Descartes couldn't find it. — Wolfgang
No. The mind are not two things neither two descriptions of the same thing. But people consider them as one. Scientific materialism is responsible for that.Or do you think there are two descriptions of the same thing, one physiological and one psychological (or philosophical). — Wolfgang
Again, I don't.If you talk about two levels of description ... — Wolfgang
I would respect your opinion if it weren't evasive and meaningless: "I don't undestand your comments" means nothing. There's a big difference between us in how we handle comments and debating in general. You would thrive as a (Greek) politician! :smile:You;re right - I don't understand your comments. They seem to miss the point. — FrancisRay
What do you mean by "taking it as axiomatic"? I take it by definition. How else could one take it? Figuratively?if you take it as axiomatic that facts cannot be moral, then you can't have moral facts. — Count Timothy von Icarus
I don't know what does "facts of the matter" mean, but if it means "states of affairs", i.e. situations, this is a little tricky, or a more subtle case. Because morality may be indeed be involved in a situation, but the situation itself cannot ne moral or immoral. What is happening in the situation can. E.g. drug dealing is immoral, but the situation of drug dealing is a fact. It cannot be considered immoral. See, morality has to do with acts, activity action. A situation is not itself an activity. It is a context, a frame of reference, concerning activities that happen in it. I don't know if this makes sense to you.the term facts, or "facts of the matter" often refer to states of affairs which can be assigned a moral ranking. — Count Timothy von Icarus
There. You are talking too about acts, that can be good or bad and that bring about sates of affairs. See, "bring about" means they result into, they produce something. Can that something be moral or immoral? Or only the actions that led to that something?I could see an argument that acts are only good or bad in virtue of the fact that we expect said acts to bring about states of affairs that are more or less just/good (and indeed I think this is a fairly common view in moral philosophy, consequentialism and all). In which case, the morality of the facts is the key player here, the morality of acts is derivative of that. — Count Timothy von Icarus
[/quote]the morality of the facts is the key player here, the morality of acts is derivative of that. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Of course.If we ask whether we have won or lost the lottery then the answer will be yes or no.. — FrancisRay
This is not about contratictory pair --of the kind of Aristotle's "Of every contradictory pair one member is true and one false"-- that I commented on. It's about alternatives.If we ask whether two plus two equals three or five then we are abusing the rule for legitimate pairs. — FrancisRay
OK, but something and nothing are too vague and abstact. So, I don't think that this can be used as an example in our case, either. Your first example (lottery) was good.If we ask whether the universe begins with something or nothing then we are assuming one of the answers is correct but do not know this. — FrancisRay
I don't think that logic can enter in the above example. As I said, the contrassting elements are too abstract to be considered as evidence for truth or falseness. So, saying that neither answer is correct has no meaning.Logic tells us that neither answer is correct. — FrancisRay
What is the "second assumption"? That the universe begins with nothing? If so, what rule exactly does it break and why? And what about the first assumption, i,e, that the universe begins with something? Why's not that breaking the rule?In metaphysics the second assumption is generally considered to break the laws of logic. — FrancisRay
It's just a mistake. Lack of knowledge. A false statement. Not a fallacy. A fallacy is an unsound argument. A single assumption alone cannot consist argument. it can only be part of an argument. "I assume that you are English" is not an argument. An argument would be "The name "Francis" is English. So you must be English."If we make the wrong assumption in such cases this is either a fallacy or a basic mistake. — FrancisRay
Right. But why are you mentioning that? In my example of "1) Man is white. 2) Man is not white" the two elements are mutually exclusive. In a most explicit and direct way.For sound reasoning we must know that a contradictory pair of propositions are mutually exclusive and exhaust the possibilities. We never know this for metaphysical questions. . — FrancisRay
Let's see ...Of every contradictory pair one member is true and one false — FrancisRay
Based on the above, has the system been violated? How can a rule be violated if it its validity is not established?This is the input rule for his system, and when it is violated the entire system breaks down. — FrancisRay
Common fallacy? It occurs too often in Wikipedia???one common fallacy which occurs too often in Wikipedia and other forums: namely, the assertion that Euclid's Postulate 5 and the parallel postulate are logically synonymous. — alan1000
I know what I said. I asked what exactly is wrong with that.You said this, as ↪L'éléphant pointed out:
Modus tollens logic is of the form "If A, then B. Not A. Therefore, not B."
— Alkis Piskas — Leontiskos
@niki wonoto has "left the building"!What I am missing in this OP is the participation of the author. niki wonoto seems to be absent from his own thread... — javi2541997
Modus tollens logic is of the form "If A, then B. Not A. Therefore, not B."as far as i can tell this is a modus tollens argument.
seems perfectly valid. (it does not have the form of a fallacy) — KantDane21
Interesting idea!I had imagined quantum entanglement as random noise, and the dis-entangled particle as a recognizable image. It never occurred to me that a tangle of photons would look like a Taoist symbol. :smile: — Gnomon
Can you reproduce that? :smile: (Re-create it, not copy it)OBJECT EMERGING FROM NOISY BACKGROUND — Gnomon
I certainly doubt about that too. As, I believe, most physicists too some years ago. This is a visualization experiment has been produced only "four years after the capture of the first photo of quantum entanglement by physicists at the University of Glasgow in Scotland." (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3232205/quantum-mechanics-yin-and-yang-photon-entanglementI doubt that even he, as a physicist, would imagine that entangled photons would graphically resemble an ancient symbol of harmony & balance. — Gnomon
Nice! :up:“Physicists do not need mysticism,” Dr. Capra says, “and mystics do not need physics, but humanity needs both.” — Gnomon
You make it sound like a simple phsychological game. I'm afraid there's much more to it than just that. One does not risk his job, his income and the support of his family because he gets angry.If the workers are angry enough and united in their anger, they overcome their fear and move against the employer in spite of the dangers. — Vera Mont
Not quite clear to me, esp. the last statement, but it's OK."working against the company" is a bit of a stretch, I'd say. "the company" is primarily comprised of employees, after all. But the union is for the employees, so it doesn't make sense to say "against the company" from that standpoint. (against management, now...)
Anger works against fear that management uses in its negotiations — Moliere