Bunch of strawmans. I don't agree with your analysis therefore I don't think Americans (on the whole) will vote for a verified racist therefore I don't think they're racist. Get it?

Enjoy hating about 40% of the world population; I'd rather not. — Benkei

That would be 3 billion people. So, what are you talking about? I directed my comments towards the number of Americans who would vote for someone who used the N-word in a derogatory manner. No offence, but you're not making much sense.

By that token, everybody that already voted for Trump is a racist. — Benkei

Except you know that I mean someone who is unequivocally proven to be a racist. I shouldn't have to spell that out from the context.

Well, they'll just tell you to go fuck yourself right back Baden. — Benkei

So... what? What do I care what a bunch of racists think? In any case, I've already dismissed your analysis as wrong. Because Hanover thinks you're right doesn't make you right. If the N-word tape comes out, Trump won't be re-elected. You can quote me on that.

Even Sarah Sanders isn't denying he said it now, which suggests it's coming out soon. And if and when it does, it will be a moment to stand with Black Americans, not the racist. And again that should have nothing to do with left and right.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/14/donald-trump-n-word-cant-guarantee-777475

Anyone who would vote for a racist is a racist, and fuck them. I don't believe that's close to fifty percent of Americans.

It has nothing to do with the left. If your president uses the N-word, he's a racist scumbag just the same as anyone who would come on this site and use it would be considered so, and he should be condemned by everyone no matter what their political persuasion. If you can't come out and say that, that 's your problem not the left's. Racism is not a left /right issue. As if any of us on the left wouldn't disown Clinton (or whoever) if she was taped using the N-word. The level of insanity of blaming the left's "character assassination" for your President using the N-word only reflects the fact that you think the right are a bunch of racists looking for scapegoats. Well, I'm sorry you have such a shitty view of your own side.

I agree with most of your analysis and I'm all aboard with your description of the economy. Our only disagreement then, seeing as you concede that there is a line, is where it is. I say verified N-word tape, and you say... well you haven't specified, but something more. What then? You tell me.

Yeah, and pretty much all my brother-in-law's relatives voted for Trump and they're nice regular people who I've met and liked (mostly) and I'm convinced that a good number of them have a line of decency that they would draw and verified N-word use would be a bridge too far.

No you're just taking things too far and applying stereotypes to the whole country. As If Trump could put on a KKK hat and declare Hitler's birthday a national holiday and everything would be fine because after all we were wrong about Bush and Trump's first election. No, there's a certain point where cynicism descends into parody.

Dems already won the popular vote, and it only takes a few percent to swing things, and at the very least a few percent of his supporters aren't going to vote for a proven racist. Also, Republicans only make up about 20% of the electorate—most are independents, and if even 10% of independents switch sides compared to the last election, he's toast. Conclusion, if Trump is caught on tape using the N-word, he's finished in terms of chances at the next election. That hasn't happened yet. But if he does, he is. America is not that racist and not that tolerant of racism. It's not a different planet, Benkei. Give them some credit.

Omarosa and Jack are lying pieces of shit — Benkei

The tapes back up Omarosa's version of events concerning her firing and prove it was the White House who lied about it. Not that she's trustworthy, but if she has the evidence, that's not important.

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Well, seeing as neither of them is racist, I'm pretty sure if Trump is on tape proving himself a racist they would at the very least abstain or vote third party otherwise they would be supporting racism, but OK, they can speak for themselves.

If Trump is caught saying the N-word on tape, Americans will care (and there's little doubt he said it now. One of his spin doctors, Katrina Pierson, is on Omarosa's latest tape saying he did and discussing how to "spin" it). Of course, his rabid anti-*immigrant white nationalist base won't care, but they don't make up more than twenty of the forty percent who support him. The other twenty won't like it and he only needs to lose a small percentage of those to become unelectable.

*Before someone says they're only anti-illegal immigrant, I refer you to Laura Ingraham of Fox News who has let the cat out of the bag on that one in a recent racist video where she talked about fighting the "demographic" changes caused by illegal and legal immigration. "Demographic" as in too many non-whites who are now threatening to make whites a minority. This echoes Nazi and white nationalist propaganda, which is why David Duke of KKK fame and other racists responded so positively calling it:

"One of the most important (truthful) monologues in the history of [mainstream media] MSM"."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/david-duke-praises-laura-ingrahams-anti-immigrant-rant-one-of-the-most-important-monologues-in-history

So, a lot of racist sentiment in the US, both overt and covert, but the vast majority of Americans are not going to go with the overt stuff (as Maw pointed out), so despite the efforts of Trump's base and Trump himself in taking it mainstream, it will never get there. Apart from anything else, it's bad for business.

https://www.businessinsider.com/laura-ingrahams-advertisers-respond-to-racist-comments-2018-8

I'd like to see the short story competition done here as on old PF. Anyone else up for that?

Thanks. :up:

Working on it. :up:

Who? :scream: :nerd:

Banned @Noah33 for refusing to disavow Hitler/Naziism etc. He was also reported as previously having a Hitler avatar. If he had disavowed as requested though we would have let him stay. As it is, three PMs concerning suspicions of Naziism including two requests for a disavowal were ignored, so banned.

no one would admit their elevated station in the public eye — Anthony

You mean admit to being an enemy of the people? If you manage to root anyone out, let us know.

https://boingboing.net/2018/08/10/don-jr-does-horrible-job-tryi.html

If he's this bad at deceiving the public, it doesn't bode well for his chances against Mueller.

I teach people to think, and this is how I do it. — TS Phillis

By writing long empty posts full of nothing but ad homs, generalizations and your boring autobiography, apparently. You're not going to get away with that here. You're nothing to anyone unless you can show at least a basic level of knowledge and analysis. And make it concise. Or try reddit.

If that were true then racist comments would not exist. On both sides. — Sir2u

Common sense ain't so common but it's still common sense.

But some of them are officials that represent the government. I was once discriminated against for being British. Back in the late 60's I went to Guatemala and they were refusing to let "that fucking English whores son" out of the airport. Apparently they had believed that Belize should be returned to them. — Sir2u

Yes, and we both agree they shouldn't do that I presume.

Another article about the same topic had a lot of comments from people that agreed with him. Some even mentioned treatment given to them when they visited muslim countries and even muslim run areas of cities. They did not seem worried about insulting other religions. — Sir2u

None of those are politicians and especially not politicians in power.

Who decides on the appropriateness of these things? — Sir2u

It's mostly common sense isn't it?

If you're a comedian, yes, because it's your job to make jokes. If you're a politician, no, because it's your job to be neutral about religious affiliation except in policy terms. Shouting "haha, look at those idiots, they look like letterboxes" is protected by free speech, yes, but free speech isn't the same as appropriate speech. And banishing moronic politicians like Boris Johnson for being opportunistic twats using inappropriate speech is a protected right of the PM. I hope she does banish him. She won't though.

My favourite book. *Bows* :pray:

Quality is that which if you don't know what it is tends to make your life worse and if you do tends to make it better, but at the same time is impossible to satisfactorily articulate.

I know what you mean though.

I'm not talking about an after-life or lack thereof. I'm talking about Schope's proposed "perfect" life, which is a state indistinguishable from death.

There's nothing mystical about it. There is no view. No consciousness. No subject. No view. Nothing. Death.

Yeah, sleep without dreaming is an unconscious state that if it continued indefinitely would be indistinguishable from death. So, your ideal form of life is death to begin with. There's nothing to be said to that.

As always, we need the tapes.

"This is a dumb idea. The Air Force does this already. That is their job," Mark Kelly tweeted on Monday after reading a story on Military.com . "What's next, we move submarines to the 7th branch and call it the 'under-the-sea force?'"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/10/omarosa-trump-book-the-apprentice-memoir

"[Omarosa] claims that she personally witnessed Trump use racial epithets about the White House counselor Kellyanne Conway’s husband George Conway, who is half Filipino. “Would you look at this George Conway article?” she quotes the president as saying. “F**ing FLIP! Disloyal! Fucking Goo-goo.”

“It had finally sunk in that the person I’d thought I’d known so well for so long was actually a racist. Using the N-word was not just the way he talks but, more disturbing, it was how he thought of me and African Americans as a whole.”

The phony dossier nonsense again. :yawn:

Well then there would be no need for consciousness, and it never would have evolved. So your perfect world is essentially death, or at best a living death. And your argument is because we're not dead, we'd be better off dead. Or life is bad because it's not death. Pointless to anyone who enjoys life.

What the...?

Trump can't even dominate the space between his ears.

What other choice would you want? Sit around and do nothing in a perfect world with no challenges?

Or you can be interested. So...

Everything needs to be fixed, maintained, created, synthesized.. — schopenhauer1

Therefore there is something to do. Helps solve the issue of boredom you've often brought up, no?