Stay well and take care :pray: — Amity

Why, merci beaucoup mon ami!

I damn the nefarious rich and powerful to destruction. — universeness

A pox on ...

:snicker:

I wish we could do Self-Maintenance...'How to Fix a Brain'.
I can't remember. Have you written anything in this discussion about the OP? — Amity

I hinted at a mechanical method - ratchets & bootstrapping - but I don't think the OP had that in mind when he started the thread. Self-awareness, two options, both actualized. Consciousness, if the former, is also complete to that extent. It's time for some psychotropics (drugs).

What's involution? Anyway, as far as I can tell, the "universe" has, contrary to what scientists claim, contracted.

Oh Come on!! — GLEN willows

No really, sometimes I read in a way that doesn't allow me to grasp meaning.

I have a poor memory! Things are falling apart. :smile:

Are you following me about?! :lol: — Amity

For 2 months, 5 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes, 20 seconds and counting! :lol:

I'll respond, but it's taking me some time to figure out what I want to say. — T Clark

:lol: No problemo, we can wait.

what is it? — Art48

You'll need to look at differences.

Sadly, this principle is fading away in youngest generation. — javi2541997

Evolution? We lose some "bad" traits and we gain some "good" ones. This is the Kali Yuga; the age of pessimism has dawned on humanity. :snicker:

No human judgment is ever flawed; more the facets, the more sparkle there is to a gem.

Sunday, 11 April 1954. the most boring day in history. Nothing of note happened on that lazy Sunday.

May you live in interesting times. — Chinese curse

That's hers.

Ethics maybe a stumbling block rather than a stepping stone? :chin:

Two ways to tackle this: 1) a given philosophy is deemed useless, or 2) a given philosophy is deemed bad. — Moliere

Mashallah! Keep it comin'!

It's not easy, that's all! I dunno how we can show the fly the way out of the bottle. Maybe that's precisely what we shouldn't be do, oui mon chéri?

:lol:

Good advice unless you're someone like me - 1 step forward, 2 backward! :snicker:

everything subjective is mediated by our biochemistry either by our default setup or our "epigenetics" (environmental influences during our life) — Nickolasgaspar

Indeed, like a stone in a river.

I’d call it common courtesy- even though you don’t answer my queries. — GLEN willows

Apologies. I have trouble parsing some sentences.

All models are wrong to the extent that every rule has exceptions.

Spooky, ain't it? – when Gnomon, apokrisis & 180 Proof agree (more or less). — 180 Proof

Spooky, aye! Verrry spooky! :smile:

The optimist invents the airplane the pessimist the parachute.

Both ways of thinking are necessary. — Deus

Mashallah! Mashallah!

Where's Elon Musk, the world's richest man, when you need him?

:up:

Point made, point taken. Oracles were known to have consumed entheogens (psychotropic plant products) and to that extent can be treated as druggies and we all know not to ask these kinda peeps for advice! The Greeks, the whole lot, must've been cuckoo!

Don't be so dismissive is what I'd say, but of course there really isn't any point putting stock in vague/general statements, a classic oracular trait. :up:

:lol: The Greeks should've just had a drinking session when they wanted to consult oracles! It's the same thing, oui mon ami?

That said, oracularity was an art form; the sophistication was dazzling or so the story goes.

I offer ... surety brings ruin (re The Delphic Oracle)

No, self-confidence — javi2541997

:lol:

dissent — universeness

The 5 tropes of Agrippa/Pyrrho (I forget which)

1. Dissent
2. Relation
3. Regress
4. Circularity
5. Assumption

I am not embarrassed about it — javi2541997

Cynicism?

The Debate on the Joy of Fish" (知魚之樂) : In this anecdote, Zhuang Zhou argued with his fellow philosopher Hui Shi whether they knew the fish in the pond were happy or not, and Zhuang Zhou made the famous observation that "You are not I. How do you know that I do not know that the fish are happy?" (Autumn Floods 秋水篇, Zhuangzi). — Wikipedia

We don't know whether animal sentience is comparable to human sentience. That, however, doesn't mean we can't make an educated guess.

Is sentience the deciding factor though? Should we follow Mill's footsteps and utilize nociception as the gold standard for judging ethical pragmata?

If I'm permitted to kill a chimpanzee, feast on its meat and a chimpanzee is only 0.01% different from us genetically, can a species 0.01% above us, DNA-wise, do the same to us? Perhaps there's some kind of threshold of intelligence beyond which predation is impermissible and we've defintely reached that point, perhaps progressed beyond it, oui mes amies?

Perhaps I mean objective and an altered memory of objective containing emotions for easier storage. So two types of the same thing of varied quality. — TiredThinker

I don't follow.

A thousand apologies. — Ranjeet

I agree but with reservations.

It's as I used to say, messy. All models are wrong.

Only bad people who have redeemed their sins go to the heaven — javi2541997

We must accept our condition as sinners.

I try to keep the conversation going as long as possible. Also, I have to acknowledge someone's post. It's an OCD thing.

Some files are missing from my database. The question doesn't make sense to me.

:chin:

Only good people go to heaven, just like only some dogs/cattle/sheep/pigs are bred.

just as the immensely complicated optic system we call the eye is too complex to have just “happened” naturally? — GLEN willows

Cronus is an enemy to theism.