Why you write universe with capital u? — Hillary

Same reason I don't with god......significance!

But many worlds are an irrational though, a believe... But you're free to think it! Don't get me wrong — Hillary

The multiverse is not a belief, it's a proposal based on projection of what we know, or think we know and in my opinion, it is much more viable than your personal polytheistic beliefs as a way of progressing towards the true facts about of the origin of the Universe we exist in. That does not mean you do not have the right to your beliefs in polytheism. I also have the right to completely disagree with them.
We hold positions on atheism/theism which I think are unlikely to move one plank length in the foreseeable future.

Many worlds just don't exist. So how can you assign them a credence level? — Hillary

By applying what I consider rational thought. The same reason why I have such a low credence level for the god posit, which you know fine well so you are just repeating the same music. A different dance may result in new insight. The same old dance just gives everyone tired feet which are getting older and older every time the same ground is pointlessly covered.

I KNOW
— universeness

Finally the universeness has seen the light! You're promoted to real universe! :lol: — Hillary

Your playing again! :naughty:

Again, propaganda. Don't follow the movement. Follow your own moves. — Hillary

I do, but I don't have my own personal origin of the universe hypothesis, So I happily, look to the experts.

So it's just the bible replaced by the physics books. — Hillary

In other words, 'Progress!' :smile:

You see? And some assign higher credence level to gods or God — Hillary

:rofl: I KNOW! (I hate to throw 'No shit Sherlock! at you I don't mean to offend.) We have been exchanging our views on that very point for quite a while now.

Agreed. I wish I can reach your intelligence — javi2541997

That's very kind! I wish I could convince you that you can defeat your self-doubt and you are easily as intelligent as I am.

No. You belief in many worlds. But where is the evidence? — Hillary

No I dont, I assign the posit a credence level.

But, in truth, they aren't field fluctuations. Maybe field excitations, but these are merely time extended field fluctuations (virtual particles). The fields are secondary, the particles primary. The fields are just mathematical descriptions of particles, not the particles themselves. A particle is just a 6 dimensional structure with charge inside them. The field, an operator valued distribution in spacetime, describes the evolution of the accompanying wavefunctions — Hillary

I was watching various QM and QFT offerings on YouTube. Some of the RI lectures are very good. I have watched many of them over the years. I think that the movement now is towards the idea that particles don't exist at all and its all about fields and field fluctuations/disturbances/excitations/perturbations etc. The number of dimensions involved is still a big unknown I think. I still give most credence to the posit that all the field excitations are caused by inter-dimensional vibrating strings.

See? Same belief — Hillary

No, you conflate evidence with belief!

Smh... You will never understand me.. — javi2541997

I can only offer to try to but perhaps you are correct.
Can anyone FULLY understand anyone else?
Can anyone FULLY understand themselves even? When we don't still know for sure where we came from, why we are here and what our ultimate fate is.

What's the evidence of a multiverse? — Hillary

There is no direct empirical evidence of a multiverse but there are ideas such as continuing inflation creating bubble universes and the fact that life exists in this Universe requiring other failed examples (the goldilocks universe.) If you keep tossing a coin will there be an occasion when it lands perfectly balanced on its edge? Yes but you need a vast number of attempts.
The Penrose bounce / the oscillating Universe are also interesting posits and if Penrose can actually prove his theory of hawking points then that would be even more interesting.
You just love your own theory that's all. It's a similar idea to the rather course truth that we like the smell of our own farts but not the smell of anyone elses!

The mods of this forum, supposedly... — javi2541997

Well someone has to 'moderate,' yes and you will have your opinions as to the fairness of their judgments and there is a mechanism on this forum that allows you to appeal a moderator's decision.
A relatively fair balance when you compare it with other systems.
IMO there is no better/fairer system than democracy.

Not realizing the so-called experts are inly human after all. And their scholarly
and objective knowledge turns out to be no more than an opinion. — Hillary

But so are you 'only human!' It's up to the individual to decide who in their OPINION they are most convinced by for a particular topic. Expertise and experience in the field you are talking about is imo an important factor but I agree it's not a totalitarian dictate. You have to turn to religious or autocratic political authority to encounter that.

Don't believe anything they tell you. The belief in many world is exactly the same as belief in gods — Hillary

Belief is a term I try to use carefully. I consider posits. Many worlds is a posit I personally consider to have a higher credence to the 0.1% credence I assign to the god posit.

What I meant was that matter doesn't show different behavior every time we examine it. One time going down, another time going up, and another time circle around (if it falls in a vacuum). — Hillary

If all particles are in truth, merely field disturbances then you never observe the exact same particle twice, as each time you do an experiment you will be involving the field disturbances at that instant in time.

If I toss a coin I need at least 4 universes.
— universeness

Are you serious...? — Hillary

In the case of a Multiverse and the posit that probability does not really exist, of course I am serious

You do not know about nothing but you have the right to speak whatsoever topic. I hate democracy — javi2541997

Danger Danger! Who will then decide who has the right to speak?

Matter doesn't behave in random ways. — Hillary

Tegmark would support you in this but only because he posits that all possible outcome happen in the multiverse! So for random happenstance not to exist in physics you need a multiverse of copies of each of us to deal with every possible outcome. A part of this I don't get is would that not require the number of possible outcomes to be exactly the same every time? or does the number of multiverses change depending on the number of possible outcomes or is it more like:
If I toss a coin I need at least 4 universes. Heads, tails, lands on it's edge or partially against an object so that there is no disernable outcome and one or more Universes within which the event never happened.
I suppose, if there can be any number of universes where the event never happened then that would take care of 'a different number of possible outcomes.' A copy of me could therefore exist or not exist
in such universes.

If the multiverse is true then perhaps we don't need to worry about:

Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city – or should I say, “our city.” I don’t own anything. I don’t own a car. I don’t own a house. I don’t own any appliances or any clothes. — Eskander

As dystopia, utopia, mytopia, yourtopia, alltopia's may all have to exist by a law of Physics!

Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me! — George W. Bush

Actually, I think the accurate description would be:

George W. Bush: Fool me once (awkward pause, Bush trying to think)... shame on you!... (bush feels mentally relieved) (more pause) ..... Fool me twice (his brain forgets who he is and why he is and what he is doing there) (very long awkward pause when his brain plays a somewhat familiar old tune he remembered from when he was young and he and his friends used to laugh at the poor people he used to see on the sidewalk from the window of his limousine, after a few awkward body shuffles)...........(his brain eventually invokes the words)...You cant get fooled again (as he uncomfortably extends a hand towards the listeners as a plea for leniency towards his dotage style performance)

The second universe can make deliberate changes in the real Universe.
An example -- I noticed that there was a brick sitting in the sidewalk across the street and then I walked across the street and I picked up the brick.
Thus my own tiny Universe made deliberate changes in the Big Bang Universe . — Ken Edwards

How about this hypothetical:

Unknown to you, you prevented an event from happening purely due to your presence at a particular place at a particular time.
The details don't matter, what matters is you are completely unaware of how significant your simple presence was to subsequent events. You have no memory of this as there was no reason for your brain to memorialise.
If you had not been there, however, the subsequent events would have been very different. This was nothing to do with your deliberate conscious actions in relation to your concept of your mind as a 'second Universe,' it was merely due to your physical existence due to happenstance (or the actions of your parents...infinite regression of cause and effect) in the big bang Universe.
How would you relate this to your use of 'smartness?'

Btw: Nice stoneware!

W (double-U) →→ M (Emm)...New letter — Agent Smith

A great old maths teacher told my class the following, (perhaps our resident maths prof @jgill would comment)
'There is one school of thought that the roman numerals were based on a Greek system which was based on the greek column which held up all their important buildings.
The 'tally' marks are just representations of the greek collumn I.
So four would be IIII and five was IIII with a diagonal column drawn through it.
The Roman Numerals are just greek columns positioned differently.
V, C, X, M
A pupil pointed out that C and D had a curved part but the teacher said the original Roman C and D were made from connected straight lines but there was a theory that some Greeks were aware of the curved dome aspect of other civilisations and could have employed curved parts based on that.
He also stated that our decimal numbers came from curved and straight-line architecture as well.
2 for example being a curved top connected to two straight lines.
I have never found strong evidence in support of his claim but I admit to repeating his lesson to some of my own maths classes but I emphasised the point that the supporting evidence for this was very tenuous.
It is a fun idea!

So, let's see. Maybe we can privately exchange and discuss a new thread. But first Im gonna sleep for a few hours. Eyelids dropping.. — Hillary

If you dream and them pesky gods try to set up a comlink, Spoiler alert! trust me!! it's just a dream!

Isn't Picard on Voyager? Or Enterprise? — Hillary

The OP says "it is better to live." That's why I would be too scared to make the statement you made above. The geek army will get medieval on you for such sacrilege. As a polytheist, you should know better than to blaspheme like that.

Maybe somewhat off the beaten track, but do you know if new ST movies are planned? Is Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness something? Seems great! — Hillary

As you say, a bit off the track of the OP. Folks often stray from the OP. I apologise to all who find this particularly annoying and I accept that we all have a responsibility to minimise this.
There are always new sci-fi stuff in the pipeline, you just have to watch for the relevant adverts.
One of the only useful things about 'cookie software.'
I just bought the new Matrix movie on DVD, not watched it yet but it has bad reviews. Yeah I will probably buy the Dr Strange movie or I will lose my geek status.
OK!! I CAN FEEL THE ANNOYANCE FROM THE LONG TERM TPFers.
I will try harder to relate to the OP more. I hope you hear them too Hillary!

The video is very interesting. Maybe we can use it as a starting point for a discussion and see where the road takes us — Hillary

Have you watched the full 3.5h podcast for April?
Sure, you could start a thread on an aspect of Sean's cosmology viewpoints. I would certainly contribute and TPF does have a category for science-based threads. Sean has just accepted a professorship in 'natural philosophy' (just an old name for physics I think) at John Hopkins University (I think that's the name he stated). The course he is offering is called 'The philosophy of physics.'
Would that be a good thread title on TPF?

You can ask on many websites for free, like here or physics fora. What money it costs Carroll to answer? — Hillary

There are certainly costs involved in recording a podcast plus there is his time and expertise.
A joiner/plumber/plasterer etc will charge you for their time and expertise, what's the difference?

I watched, coincidentally, a Star Trek Voyager episode, with captain Picard. In search for a vaccine the team ended up in a fight between the crew member with short blond hair and a black planet habitant. Both women, equipped with artificial hands with sharp pins with poison tips... — Hillary

Oh you heathen!! Captain Picard on Star Trek Voyager!! Only your gods could make that happen!
Yeah, I remember the episode you are talking about. It was Star Trek the next generation.
All about the nefarious leader of a very African-looking tribal group and his intrigues to hold on to his power base. The fight was between the Enterprises security Chief Lieutenant Yar and the female suitor of the guy who was second in command to the black leader.

They ask a dollar to question but without guaranteed response. You gave guaranteed response when you were a teacher. But it's worthwhile! A dollar I can spare!

Ive asked a question on the reactions part. The same I asked him by email. I have to check how to pay him that dollar — Hillary

You have to jump through the hoops they set out to get your questions answered.
I don't mean the above sentence as a 'power-crazed,' accusation, they just have to employ some kind of system for their 'Mindscape podcasts.' You need to follow their process exactly.
Maybe you have to watch the podcast for that month to find out if he has actually answered your question. I thought they might explain the process once you have paid the toll but if you have not paid then you won't get answered. I think that's Patreons rules, not Seans but I accept that he signed up with them but maybe they are the best-established kids on the block for this stuff. I know a lot of the atheist phone-in YouTube stuff is through Patreon.
I intend to watch this month's podcast in full at some point but 3.5 hours is as long as a lord of the rings movie!

two questions — Nickolasgaspar

Wow impressive! Two, did you think of them both? or did you get help?

Do you have any real arguments sparky or ad hominem fallacies is your norm? — Nickolasgaspar

That's not much of a question? Its just another toy flying from your pram.

Why do you insist in projecting your relation and rituals you have with your mum on to others? — Nickolasgaspar

Just trying to reassure you that hopefully your mommy or mommy substitute still loves you even when you can't break out of your wee tantrum modes of discourse with others.
If you choose to put your big boy trousers on at some point and ask me a grown-up, respectful question then I will respond in kind. If not then you will remain Nickerless Gasbag!

He may have potentials and some knowledge but his ego doesn't allow him to be honest when he is wrong...plus he likes to accuse others for things he projects on them — Nickolasgaspar

How long are you going to stare into that mirror?
It's never going to declare you 'the fairest of them all' no matter how many times you ask it to.

What's an RE course? — Hillary

I typed out the long version in:

I have long time friends who have taught religious education in Scottish Secondary schools — universeness

RE = Religious Education :smile:

I might change my pseudonym name to gasbag gaspar, instead of quark ninja... Catchy! — Hillary

Stop reversing things you rebel! It's Ninja Quark not 'quark ninja.' I think 'quark ninja' was the Ferengi bar owner on Deep Space 9!

Just a 'small side point,' I have long time friends who have taught religious education in Scottish Secondary schools for 30+ years and they do mention many aspects of belief systems, such as astrology and other historical practices related to predicting the future such as the Delphic oracles etc.
I think these are aired as examples of 'historical human belief systems,' only but they are talked about in the RE course of Secondary schools in Scotland. Probably quite briefly however.

I don't worship them or listen to them, or derive moral from them insofar human relations are involved. The only moral I take from them is that creation is performed for all beings in heaven, not only for human gods — Hillary

I accept that your dalliance with theism satisfies a need in you and is harmless as such but I object to you sticking a label marked 'the truth' on it.

Btw, have you watched this month's podcast from Sean Carroll? I started to watch it last night but fell asleep about 20 mins into it. If you sent in questions this month, would it not be in this podcast that he might have answered you, or would more likely be next month's podcast. How does the Patreon system work? Do they inform you if they are going to answer your question in the podcast?
It's another 3.5-hour podcast so he should get through a fair number of questions he has been sent in that time.

Keep talking to your self...this is what you do after all. You are done....is this difficult for you to understand? — Nickolasgaspar

You need to type louder gasbag gaspar. It's getting harder to hear your cry's from the cradle.
Did mommy refuse to hug you again this morning?

Well, what I meant was that some gods are human, some are stegosaures like, some are mice-like, and others parrot- or lion-like and slipper animal-like — Hillary

So are we back to shapeshifting gods or do you mean a god that is an actual mouse?
If so how far do you want to take that? An insect god? a lice god? a quark god?
Can you describe a typical action of your mouse god and is this god a lesser god compared to your lion god?

All life in the universe has an eternal part in heaven. — Hillary

For what purpose was this done by these entities in this place you have called heaven. Why did they need to replicate themselves and how can you be sure that you are not just projecting human attempts/wishes to replicate themselves as a means of lifespan extension onto the god posit?

How to create the material the universe is made of — Hillary

You know in science how much of that happens, don't you just need a first cause.
Don't you think humans will be able to eventually figure out the rest of how this universe works?

The purpose would be to fill the void of the boredom that fell upon heaven after their eternal playings. — Hillary

So we are a mere entertainment for bored gods? Are you ok with that as your ultimate purpose?
You are a mere toy for the entertainment of gods?

They created elementary particles and space. — Hillary

Don't they already have space and elementary particles in their heaven place?
Would they not get quite bored with us new toys quick quickly if they got bored with everything eternal heaven had to offer them?
Does this all still sit 'perfectly' well with your own internal rationale?
I am not asking this in an attempt to ridicule your viewpoint I genuinely want to understand your rationale.
If you reject my 'roleplay' accusation that I claim has been further induced by your frustration with the current cosmological hierarchy then I am at a loss to try to understand/appreciate/ your rationale.
I understand the need for some humans to believe in something 'bigger and more powerful,' than themselves. You know I think such individualised needs are based on primal fear.
I remain of the opinion that your dalliances with polytheism are due to some combination of the reasons I have suggested and is probably also influenced with other aspects of your background story that I don't know about.
I don't ever wish to deny you or anyone else the freedom to believe in whatever you choose to.
I could not call myself democratic/socialist/humanist if I did but I will continue to argue against anyone who presents any theistic viewpoint as truth.

Gods are only human... Some of them, that is. — Hillary

I don't mind your 'only human' gods, Humans can cope with other humans who apply the god label to themselves but you also type 'some of them, that is,' so, our dialogue on that part continues.

Life in heaven is exactly the same as here. Look around you and you see heaven — Hillary

You also see hell, does your vision of heaven have room for serial killers and Donald Trump?
Ok, I accept that It might be a little unfair to place the big orange-faced horror straight after my use of the label serial killer. (One of my shortfalls is to hate political opportunists like Trump a little too much!)

The difference is that life in heaven is eternal — Hillary

It would be interesting to get your view of what you envision would be 'a day in the life of a member of heaven.' Have you ever tried to think about it? Do you think you would still get to do science? or would that be meaningless?

and we don't go there after dead. We are material, mortal, finite copies of heaven, like all of life and the universe we're living in. — Hillary

So for us then this place has no value. It's like a parallel Universe. If I am a facsimile/copy/clone of me in heaven/parallel universe then what significance does that have to my daily life here?

Luckily they figured it out "perfectly" (there you go!). — Hillary

Figured what out?

It starts all over again every big bang. So in a sense, we never die. — Hillary

Do you mean like the Penrose bounce (different Universe every time) or the whole Universe plays again like a movie on permanent replay? What would be the purpose of permanent replay?
If we all come back and play different roles then that's more akin to the reincarnation advocates, yes?
Which flavors are you offering here?

If Christ really existed, that could have been the reason! Too perfect. Too good to be true. Did Christ have a Jesus complex? — Hillary

Well based on the tiny 57 years I have been on this planet (compared to the 13,8 billion years for the Universe), Humans might admire or even seek to understand perfection or become perfect but we will then refuse to accept it as if we achieve it then we have nothing left to aspire to. Only entropy would remain. Some state beneath perfection. The existence of God would be a perfect disappointment for me as it would mean all my efforts to improve myself were pointless as the omni's by definition, can never be surpassed.

Too late... I just saw it now.. — Hillary

Yeah, he is fully cooked I think. Not worth your energy investment.
It's very hard for someone so chiseled to see their own shorfalls.
I have learned to be aware of most of mine, I think and I try to admit to them and combat them.
Even the theists know the dangers of being perfect or even claiming to be. Humans will crucify you!