Why you want proof in the first place? — Hillary

I never said I want a proof.

I'm trying my best to explain the method I would use, which would be based on scientific theories, but you do not seem to want to know more about it. Shall I explain it in more details? Would you actually want to debate a method that's been found by an independent thinker who does not want to practice philosophy as you know it? — Skalidris

Please do.

there is no proof for the reality of a godless world you choose to believe in. — Hillary

I never said that.

Only gods offer a rationally reasonable answer. — Hillary

Yes. Which is the topic of the thread. There are no proofs for God because people choose to believe.

Okay, but I don't want to follow these rules, that's the point of the topic. — Skalidris

No offense, but I do not think you have a point and just want to bash philosophy.

Well, you keep telling me my ideas already are part of philosophy — Skalidris

I never said that.

That seems like a rule to me. I can't limit it to the physical world, that's what you said. — Skalidris

Yes, correct.

I don't want to follow the rules of philosophy, — Skalidris

What are these rules?

You and Tobias seem to be so obsessed with philosophy and aren't able to see other possibilities that it starts to look like a religion. — Skalidris

Sorry, I really do not understand this allegation.

In philosophy, the concept of a historical dialectic, as an interpretive method, is typically associated with Hegel, even though he didn't originate the idea — Gnomon

Okay, I did not make that claim. I only described the method he uses in the Phenomenology,.

Hegelian Dialectic :
A theory of historical development that is often attributed to the philosopher G.W.F. Hegel. It proposes that cultural understanding progresses, despite conflicts, via 3 stages labeled Thesis (a dominant cultural worldview or “-Ism”), followed by Antithesis (an opposing view), then to Synthesis (a blend of the prior views). Stage 3 then becomes the thesis for the next round of quarreling belief systems.
BothAnd Blog Glossary — Gnomon

Not Hegel's concept of dialectic. I forget who said that, but it is not Hegel.

'What's 60% of 450?' — Cuthbert

270.

I meant based on scientific theories — Skalidris

Science only explains the motion of physical particles. Philosophy does not limit itself to explaining physical motion.

You deny my reality. — Hillary

Remember, the topic of the thread is why proofs for God are not legitimate.
I said nothing about your reality.

It's because they care what you think. The alternative would be them not caring what you think, which would be very discouraging. — Cuthbert

Conditionals are not a form of skepticism.

And I would add it needs to be based on experiments — Skalidris

There is a field in philosophy called experimental philosophy.

What do you mean? — Skalidris

You said, "Why not try to produce actual knowledge?" My question is, what standard are you using to determine what actual knowledge is?

Do we reach absolute truths, or are all truths we say just circumstantial? — Cidat

Yes, I think all truths are conditional. And I don't know why that bothers some people.

How can others check the experience? I can only tell it. And the tale told was pretty convincing though the wish might be the father of the dream. Anyhow, it was a wonderful dream. — Hillary

Solipsism. Just because you have an experience does not mean it is true for other people.

Why not try to produce actual knowledge? — Skalidris

What is your standard for philosophical knowledge?

I’ve heard of Hegelian idealism but I’d be lying if I said that I’d made an effort to read the phenomenology of spirit. — Average

Simplifying. Hegel often referred to his method as dialectical history. That ideas which are commonly believed eventually are discovered to contradict themselves.

Marx wrongly thought Hegel was an idealist, but nonetheless used his concept of necessary contradictions in history. Thus, capitalism had contradictions that would lead to socialism.

Have you ever been in academia in philosophy? — Skalidris

Yes, I have an MA in philosophy.

Art shows creativity, it does not produce knowledge, unlike philosophy — Skalidris

I don't agree.

Okay then anyone who's thinking about a philosophical topic is a philosopher... Yeah don't think so. — Skalidris

It is like saying that anyone can be an artist. That's fine. Now show your work to other people. Convince a gallery to put on a show.
Get people to write about it. Same in philosophy.

Okay try and say that to a philosopher that's been publishing in academia for a long time. There is literally a course about the philosophical method in the bachelor of philosophy... How do you think they decide who's going to be published and who's not? If there is no method, how can it be a discipline? — Skalidris

Not method but a standard of how a philosophy article is written. Very few philosophers believe there is a method to philosophy.

everyone has a philosophy, either by conscious choice or by unconscious absorption. — Elric

I can agree with that.

You say that if I tell you I saw gods in my dreams showing heaven and the reason for creation is no proof. I ask you to reconsider. Why is that no proof? Because I can lie about it? — Hillary

You proved nothing. You just related an experience. Since I do not have that experience you proved nothing.

Then you need to reconsider your proof. — Hillary

I do not understand this sentence.

The mere telling is no proof no. But the experience is. — Hillary

Clearly, that is what I meant.

For you not. For me yes. No, for you too. If I have seen gods in my dream, how you proof it's not directly from the gods. I can proof it is. Because they showed me the true reality of nature. — Hillary

A proof is not the mere telling about one's experience.

No, you question others and open yourself up to questions by others, otherwise it is just navel staring. — Tobias

Let us say someone has been reading Hume's Treatise on his own for a month. He presents his ideas to another philosopher and is told Hume rejects that interpretation on page 126. So a month wasted.

To you, yes. For me no. — Hillary

Therefore it is not a proof.

You can see them in dream epihany — Hillary

I don't. Therefore your proof is false.

Not all proofs of god assume the gods before. — Hillary

Give one.

Like what? As I see it, the left creates a completely unrealistic narrative, comparing the right/Trump to Hitler and naive people fall for it, ripping the country apart. — M777

I said nothing about Hitler.

How many policeman killed on jan 6? How many killed during the blm riots? — M777

What about everything besides the topic?!

↪Jackson prooflink? — M777

Ignorance is not an argument.

How many people died as a result? Which side did the shooting? — M777

200 seriously injured police officers. Does that give you a thrill?!

I am not a big fan of Trump or Evangelicals, but perceiving them as Hitler and Nazis is outright delusional. America has lots and lots of problems, but most of them come from the left trying to keep people angry and fearful, be it climate, covid, blm, Trump, etc. — M777

Trump organized at violent attack on the Capitol in an attempt to overthrow the government. Liberals did not cause that.

The Churchands, Paul and Patricia? — GLEN willows

Yes. I find their reductive materialism to be boring. Explains nothing.