Why? — 180 Proof

So you think that inequality in humanity is right? Someone starves to death while others enjoy the wealth! Each person is unique and has the potential to grow. Is that proper to leave such a potential in poverty?

Very correct!

That seems to run against the definition, and practical use of 'evil'. — AmadeusD

Humans are mostly inclined toward good, prefer good over evil. There are plenty of people who enjoy evil, such as masochists.

It seems a descriptor for that which is particularly unpleasant in an arbitrary manner. — AmadeusD

I don't think so. Do you mind elaborating after reading this post?

Could you outline how you're using 'evil' here? I don't think many would recognize it. — AmadeusD

Depending on the person you are, you are a good person, you only enjoy/like good experiences. I don't know why you are suffering.

So you would claim that evil creatures like suffering and dislike pleasure? — Leontiskos

Correct.

Do you want to maybe qualify this? I suffer every morning when I put my body under immense pressure to achieve a better body. — AmadeusD

Experiencing evil is not a bad thing per se. I am not in your position, so I cannot judge why your suffering is unpleasant to you. Suffering is not unpleasant to me. There is, of course, a reason for that if you start believing that they might be creatures in charge of Judging us that we are not aware of.

Mind, substance and stuff are made of strings? — ucarr

The Mind is a substance that is omnipresent in spacetime and holds material in the form of strings in existence (I have a thread on this topic here).

Strings are the foundation of all material things, right? — ucarr

Correct, but minds are not material. I already provided an argument about "Physical cannot be cause of its own change", so we are dealing with substance dualism at least.

I would suggest that mysticism is the only way to fully understand ourselves. This is because it endeavours to develop understanding not simply through the intellect, but also through the body, through being and through growth. — Punshhh

Very correct!

Thus enabling a more holistic, or 3 dimensional (by analogy) perspective. — Punshhh

What do you mean by this?

Also I would suggest that fully understanding anything, other than abstract concepts is not possible. Because it would require an understanding of the whole context in which it resides. Something which we are not in a position to do. — Punshhh

Perhaps we can do it someday. Deities, perhaps, are practicing this!

To address your question about AI and subjectivity. I don’t see why subjectivity, or anything else a human brain does can’t be modelled. But subjectivity etc is not the same as consciousness, which is something present in living organisms. Resulting from biological processes, rather than computation in the nervous system. Just like the robot in Star Trek, known as Data, AI can conceivably be programmed to perform anything a human can do, but it simply isn’t conscious. It’s a machine carrying out preordained processes. — Punshhh

Matter is an environment that allows minds to interact. Matter does not do any process since it cannot even cause a change in itself. Those are minds that do the process over the information that is held in the stuff, matter, for example.

Your experience is a perfect example of what I argued on this thread. Your intellectual property was stolen by another person, and it was published with his name instead of yours. You could hire a lawyer and send him a lawsuit. But we the humans also have a soul, and we suffer from what we experience. It is not "Bah. Nothing really matters. Time would help me to overcome this and bla bla." — javi2541997

I recovered from the depression, and now I am at peace! Forgiving is forgetting!

The human condition is miserable and horrible. In most cases, it is only showing the worst part of all of us. Now, you can't say to me to only focus on the nice aspects of life or contemplate a gorgeous garden. I was talking about children suffering, but you also brought another good example. People are greedy. They steal things from others. Didn't you ever ask yourself why that happened in the first place? If I were you, I would have lost confidence in people. — javi2541997

We have not evolved well enough. I think humans will be alright in the future.

I don't think a psychiatrist can help us in that way. Do you know why? Because the malice of some folks is incomprehensible. And what do you expect to do? To go to a doctor with the aim of convincing me to better focus on the beautiful side of life and leave behind the negative aspects? Sure, I can go to a garden and contemplate the gorgeous flowers, but your intellectual property was stolen, and a child is suffering abuse somewhere. — javi2541997

Correct! In my case, rTMS didn't help. ECT made my depression the worst! I did it all by myself. And I recovered. I hope that you find peace!

I suppose it's because we humans are more beasts than angels – human, all too human. Besides, the player never "deserves" the hand s/he's dealt ... — 180 Proof

I think we haven't evolved well enough.

Oh, sure. No one which suffers with mental issues would disagree with that, I think. That's rather the point of talking about it. — Moliere

Peace on you!

But I would like to find out philosophy and ideas to face depression. I don't want to know why we experience depression in our lives. — javi2541997

Depression could be due to mental and physical abuse. For example, in my case, one of my boos stole my intellectual properties and published them in his name. This certainly was an abuse of power. I was under spiritual torture as well, which I think was just. We humans are unjust; certainly, we need to evolve further!

I already accepted that this comes and goes sooner or later. — javi2541997

Discussing your situation with a psychiatrist might be helpful.

I believe it is key to try to live with this mental condition. — javi2541997

I don't think so. A better mental state is the state of peace.

"You're on Earth. There's no cure for that."
~Samuel Beckett, Endgame — 180 Proof

Why do you think that humans cannot find peace? Why are they not wise enough to judge properly the situation, so everybody gets what they deserve?

Depression is evil. It is a sort of experience that you cannot explain to others who have never experienced it. Evil is a feature of reality; good is another feature. Good and evil are fundamental and necessary. Why a person experiences depression is the subject of discussion!

Are substance, stuff and matter all made of atoms and molecules? — ucarr

Matter, for example, is made of strings. Other stuff, we don't know.

What about mind? What’s it made of? — ucarr

The minds are not made of anything else. That could be understood from the fact that free decision is due to the mind; otherwise, one has to deal with an infinite regress that is not acceptable!

What's the relationship between substance, stuff and matter? — ucarr

By substance, I mean something that exists and has a set of properties. The Mind is a substance with the ability to experience and cause stuff. Matter is an example of stuff.

Me too. It is a great opportunity to know and understand this group!

Consider the phrase, "I am politically nonbinary.". Do you discern the speaker's intent differently if they are liberal or conservative? — David Hubbs

If your orientation toward a political form is defined, you know your position. There is, however, a spectrum between liberal and conservative.

I thought you were talking about the Mind, not God. What is the difference anyway? — Harry Hindu

The Mind is the sustainer of the stuff, matter for example, excluding minds, whereas God is the creator of everything.

What is the nature of God, or Mind, if not physical themselves? — Harry Hindu

The Mind is a substance with the ability to experience and cause the stuff. The Mind is free, by free I mean It can decide in situations when there is a conflict of interest in choices. The nature of God is unknown; by unknown, I mean that we humans and other creatures cannot comprehend or perceive since God's nature is very vast. It knows all forms and has the ability to appear in all forms as well.

How does something non-physical interact with the physical? — Harry Hindu

The Mind, as it is stated in the first comment, has the ability to experience and cause physical for example.

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This seems to be part of the same problem. If minds are needed to change matter, what got the first mind going? It's a infinite regress of minds, just as we have an infinite regress of decoherence. — Harry Hindu

I am talking about the Mind, not God. There is a beginning for time. Either the stuff (the physical, for example) existed at the beginning of time and evolved to form life, or there was a God who created what was necessary. What was necessary is the subject of discussion. I have an argument about "Physical cannot be the cause of its own change" (which can be found here), so the first case is discarded; therefore, there is a God.

So, you deny mind emergent from brain? — ucarr

In that thread, I deny that the matter is efficacious to cause a change in itself. The mind is a substance, so we are dealing with a hard problem of how a mind could be emergent from matter. Even if we accept that the mind could be an emergent substance, then we are dealing with the tension between what the mind wants to do and how matter evolves following the laws of nature.

There's a mind somewhere making hydrogen and oxygen combine to form water? — ucarr

There exists a Mind that is omnipresent in space and time, responsible for change in matter everywhere. I have a thread on this topic here.

His approach to science - the gay science. Meaning, each step towards "knowledge" must be made with an awareness that we are likely fooling ourselves. Seek the truth, but never claim truth is the only, highest goal, and never assume the truth you find may not one day be made false. — Fire Ologist

Finding the truth is the duty of philosophy. Science only deals with the current state of existence. Physicists, for example, are trying to find the laws of physics. And there is more, the Art. So it is not only about science.

You sound like you’re drawing from idealism and Kantian philosophy — Jacques

I only studied Kant on morality, and I disagree with him. Generally, I am against any form of Idealism. The problem with any form of Idealism is how ideas could be coherent in the absence of a mind. I would be happy to see if Kant ever mentioned the mind in his books or gave a definition for it.

maybe with a libertarian view of free will—is that how you see it? — Jacques

I think that free will in the libertarian form is the ability of any mind.

I have a thread about "Physical cannot be the cause of its own change" (you can find the related argument here); therefore, the mind is needed for change. So, the mind cannot be a byproduct of physical.

Part of the reason why I have not written more in the thread which I created is because I do see the 'end' of time as problematic. — Jack Cummins

I explained why the spacetime cannot have an end in that thread as well, here.

There are four features involved when it comes to a person, namely instinct, logical thinking, intuition, and wisdom; they come in order in a person. Free will is the ability of the mind to choose freely. It is required to decide in a situation when there is a conflict of interest.

A central question might be "Why do I like the philosophy that I do?" — Moliere

Because you are a curious person.

Do you think that aesthetics in philosophy is a thing? Should it be? — Moliere

The philosophy of art is a branch of philosophy. The elegance in philosophy is in writing concisely.

Why are you more drawn to particular philosophers, schools, styles, or problems? — Moliere

Almost everything. Questions in all fields of philosophy with the aim of finding an answer to them.

If Satan was not created perfect, then that is God's fault. One God, one religion; otherwise, God even failed to convey his message to His creation as well, which is not acceptable from a God who is perfect. Therefore, the question of why the creation is like this is a central question. So, either God is imperfect, or the mighty person who is in charge of everything is not known.

The subconscious mind holds all memories of a person. The conscious mind can focus on one thing at any given moment. Its duty is important, so it is given what is necessary in a given situation. I have a thread on the dependency of time on the mind here.

The whole, including time, cannot have an end, as I argued in this thread.

The laws of nature are required to make the proper change in things with the aim to reach the final goal.

I have a thread about "Physical cannot be the cause of its own change" (you can find the argument here); therefore, the mind is needed to cause the change.

I have two threads in favor of divinity, you can find here and here.

The laws of nature are the observable regularities in natural phenomena that happen and can therefore be formulated.

I would argue that perhaps you have this backwards. I think of time as a unit of measurement for change. — MrLiminal

What do you mean by time being a unit of measurement for change?

If nothing changes, there is no way to tell time. — MrLiminal

If nothing changes, then you perceive time!

The Qualia is the object's property that the mind directly perceives (this is discussed here). The object and neural processes directly interact. Therefore, what the mind perceives is indirectly caused by the neural processes. It is possible to make a correlation between Qualia and neural processes, but it is impossible to measure what Qualia is to the mind.

I can understand the existence of an experience is due to the change in state of physical, in that the existence of my experience of sorrow is due to the change in the physical state of my dog from living to dead. — RussellA

By P2 I mean that your experience is due to neural processes in your brain.