• Purpose of Philosophy
    Philosophy is the ultimate wild goose chase.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    The facts indicate that there's not an iota of evidence for thisManuel

    Facts don't indicate what exactly? Facts cannot indicate anything outside the material realm, since facts are empirically observable phenomenon. For this reason, it doesn't seem correct to expect facts to provide indications about aspects of reality beyond the material realm and then make assertions about the other (spiritual) aspects of reality based on the lack of... facts.

    Btw I am not religious, nowhere in these past few posts did I mention faith, damnation or an eternal afterlife.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    Yes it is the sense of our apparent finitude - the impending death which looms over us all - which drives us to try and make sense of this absurd existence. Seems to me that you have it backwards: death is the cause of man's desire to find meaning, rather than meaning-making being the distraction of death.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    And my mention of Socrates is not about Socrates. :roll:180 Proof

    That was just an alliterative flourish? 180 Proof painful poet.

    Meaning-making" isn't any more objectively meaningful than not "meaning-making", thus its arbitrary (merely subjective), or as you say "an individual pursuit".180 Proof

    Do you imagine that any other being on this Earth has made sense of the world, has formed a terrain of meaning, identical to the one which you are continually constructing? No one else has your particular historicity, associations, insights, experiences, etc. Your ultimate meaning is absolutely unique, in your terms "merely subjective", regardless of how much data you have drawn from the réservoir of objectivity. The final product (which may be comprised of subjective and objective parts) is a tapestry you alone have weaved, it is your final interpretation of existence which is subjective and unique. This is your meaning-making. Your personal blue pill.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    socrates sad? He is known for his equinimity, his acceptance of death was stoical even. He also had beliefs that you would consider wooo-wooo (maybe he isn't the best choice to illustrate your point). Anyway, what I'm talking about is not opium of the masses. Meaning-making is an individual pursuit, ultimately.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    Fortunately Brassier doesn't get to decide what philosophy is/isn't allowed to do/be! He would strip it of everything that makes it worthwhile. Whether he likes it or not, philosophy has provided a means to explore the deeper questions of life, including the search for existential meaning, and it will continue to do so for "pathetic sops" like me and many others. Sops who haven't fallen into the illusion of viewing their existence as merely mechanical happenstance.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    Do you think that many are struggling with finding deeper meaning, or are you suggesting something else?Jack Cummins

    To answer a question that wasn't addressed to me: yes absolutely. It seems to me that nihilism is the defining character of postmodern Western society. This existential meaninglessness is directly linked to the current dominance of science as an epistemological mode and the notion that science has undermined beliefs about reality, beliefs which (true or false) provided an ultimate meaning. A return to saner times would be the overcoming of nihilism.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    @Jack Cummins

    So, it is a mystery as to whether the philosophical mysteries are even solvable.

    But let's imagine that they are actually unsolvable. What would be the implications? Would that mean philosophy is a waste of time? Should we give up on philosophy and do something else? Is philosophy to be regarded as some kind of primitive, but fatally flawed, way of making sense of the world (as David Stove suggested)?

    These are questions that have been bothering me for a while. If I could drop philosophy would but I keep scratching that itch.
  • Quantifiable Knowledge
    And what corroborates these "experiential grounds"? Uncorroborated they're merely subjective assumptions or dispositions.180 Proof

    They are corroborated in the same way as any naturalistic claim. By observation and consensus. You can affirm my experince by having a similar observation in your own experience.

    So what? What about the astronomically vast domains of phenomena that we (not only do not) cannot "experience" and upon which "consciousness" – however it is explained – necessarily, unconsciously, supervenes ... like a single grain of sand on a wind-swept slope of a dune somewhere in the Sahara?180 Proof

    What about it indeed? The single grain of sand has not affected my experience until you mentioned it. Now it has arisen as an idea within my conscious experience and soon it shall dissipate. How is it relevant at all?

    You've got that backwards, I think. "Consciousness" is only a dinghy ("remains ... stable") tossed on ocean waves ("protean ... backdrop").180 Proof

    This is merely an interpretation by your mind. Meditation discloses the inverse.

    Not in the least. All this indicates is that "consciousness" is/may be an epiphenomenon (or hyper-developed forebrain spandrel) of 'ecology-bound information systems' complex enough for intermittenly sustained 'self-awareness' (or intentional agency). "Fundamental" things or processes (e.g. entropy, gravity, vacuum energies) constitute embodied "consciousness" (since there is not (cannot be) A N Y evidence of it being "disembodied") – which, by the way, it's a dynamic process and N O T a non-dynamic thing or abstact object.180 Proof

    But here you are leaping to conclusions based on what you want to be the case. Until science provides irrefutable proof that consciousness is an epiphenomenon, the evidence of experience will continue to point strongly to consciousness being fundamental.
  • Quantifiable Knowledge
    What grounds are there for assuming that "consciousness" is (something) "fundamental"?180 Proof

    Experiential grounds. Every single phenomenon we experience arises into/fades out of consciousness. Our thoughts, feelings, percepts.. and literally everything else seems protean in nature, while consciousness remains the stable backdrop of all experience. Does this not indicate that consciousness is fundamental?
  • Quantifiable Knowledge
    here's two: When scientists claim there is no god. When scientists claim they are understanding the nature of reality.

    It would only be right to make assertions like this if reality was merely physical.
  • Quantifiable Knowledge
    Science is great for knowledge of the material realm. Outside of that, other modes of enquiry are needed. The problem is that science oversteps its mark.
  • Is 'Western Philosophy' just a misleading term for 'Philosophy'?
    What, then, is Philosophy? Philosophy is the supremely precious. Is Dialectic, then, the same as Philosophy? It is the precious part of Philosophy. We must not think of it as the mere tool of the metaphysician: Dialectic does not consist of bare theories and rules: it deals with verities; Existences are, as it were, Matter to it, or at least it proceeds methodically towards Existences, and possesses itself, at the one step, of the notions and of the realities. Untruth and sophism it knows, not directly, not of its own nature, but merely as something produced outside itself, something which it recognizes to be foreign to the verities laid up in itself; in the falsity presented to it, it perceives a clash with its own canon of truth. Dialectic, that is to say, has no knowledge of propositions ­ collections of words ­ but it knows the truth, and, in that knowledge, knows what the schools call their propositions: it knows above all, the operation of the soul, and, by virtue of this knowing, it knows, too, what is affirmed and what is denied, whether the denial is of what was asserted or of something else, and whether propositions agree or differ; all that is submitted to it, it attacks with the directness of sense-perception and it leaves petty precisions of process to what other science may care for such exercises — Plotinus
  • Is 'Western Philosophy' just a misleading term for 'Philosophy'?
    False caricature and intellectual dishonesty will get you nowhere.
  • Is 'Western Philosophy' just a misleading term for 'Philosophy'?
    no true proposition is also false.

    The conclusion of this argument is true if the premises are:

    1. P
    2. Q
    3. Therefore p and q.

    And so on.

    But you miss the point spectacularly. Philosophy is the practice of using reason to find the truth. That doesn't presuppose that we ready know what's true, but that we don't.

    It's like me saying that mountaineering is the practice of trying to climb mountains and you replying 'name me a mountain that has been successfully climbed'
    Bartricks

    How do you determine whether a proposition is true? How were the logical forms discovered? How do you know the law of noncontradiction holds for everything in reality? Have you tested everything in reality? The answers to those questions leads outside the realm of reasoning, towards observation of empirical facts. Hence, philosophy is not based on reason alone.

    Your last paragraph is way off and hardly worth a response.
  • Is 'Western Philosophy' just a misleading term for 'Philosophy'?
    Fixed my post.

    Philosophy is the practice of using reason to find out what's true.Bartricks

    Give one example of a truth arrived at by pure reason.
  • Is 'Western Philosophy' just a misleading term for 'Philosophy'?
    Philosophy is just love of wisdom in the most abstract sense. To disqualify a whole tradition - continental - because it doesn't fit your narrow perspective, is simply a show of phobosophy.
  • Is 'Western Philosophy' just a misleading term for 'Philosophy'?
    And if the "seeking" is "perennial", doesn't that mean that the seeking itself is the only answer – "the path is the destination" – just like the ouroborous or a dog chasing its own tail?180 Proof

    Right and even the ability to do this kind of perennial move is a modern phenomenon, aided by the advance of tech/Internet and increasing globalisation. Are we to assume that the mystics and truthseekers of antiquity were shitouttaluck because they didn't have the capacity to do this perennial aggregation of insights? No, before perennialism, mystics looked inward - rather than far and wide - and this seemed to be enough to produce a variety of enlightened beings... If you buy into those stories anyway.
  • Is 'Western Philosophy' just a misleading term for 'Philosophy'?
    You would agree with me, then, that it is rather silly to talk of western philosophy as if it is something. We should just talk of 'philosophy' and pay no heed to where the philosopher happened to be born.Bartricks

    The criteria for these delineations are not as simple as 'where someone was born'. You would also object to the continental/analytic distinction I suppose? How about genres of music? There are only sounds afterall, so it doesn't make sense to talk of genres. ;)
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    When I say 'solution' I mean a rational and reasonable solution that can be explained to others and that does, in fact, solve the problems. I would certainly agree that we should approach things rationally, and it is my complaint against academics that they rarely do this. Rather, on ideological grounds they choose not to study the only fundamental theory that works, or, at least, the only one they cannot prove does not work. .This is not rational behaviour but plain stupidity. . .FrancisRay

    Elsewhere you have hinted that insights about reality come from the nondualist philosophies. It is my understanding that the nondualist paths, in general, emphasize that reason (logos) is misleading and that true insights about reality are gleaned only through meditation (direct experience with 'Truth', as opposed to experience mediated through logos). Do you suppose that the enlightenment of the West (grounded in reason) is compatible with the enlightenment of the East (grounded in experience of pure awareness - or at least non-rational enquiry) are reconcilable? Is that the aim of perrenial philosophy? Edit: I suppose not, considering that perennial philosophy is a comparative study of mysticism and usually doesn't take western philosophical perspectives into account.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    Thanks I will read your blogposts :up:
  • Esotericism: Hierarchy & Knowledge
    If I unfailingly believe I can directly and infallibly understand everything that is going on with myself and others, with humankind's situation in the world, with life and death itself, then I will manifest a charismatic certainty that will be extremely attractive to those who are drawn to individuals who project an impression of supreme self-confidence.Janus

    Evolutionary biologist Robert Trivers argues essentially this in his theory of self-deception. We have evolved to subconsciously pickup certain microcues emitted by those we are interacting with. These microcues gives us an intuitive sense when someone is trying to manipulate us. Trivers' theory of self-deception asserts that people deceive themselves in order to eliminate these microcues, in order to deceive others in turn.

    This is a relevant quote that came to mind. In a book review of Teilhard de Chardin's 'The Phenomenon of Man', Peter Medawar wrote:

    Its author can be excused of dishonesty only on the grounds that before deceiving others he has taken great pains to deceive himself.
  • Objective truth in a determined universe?
    Science can make accurate predictions about the world, unlike a shaman.
  • Esotericism: Hierarchy & Knowledge
    We're the puke of chance? That's different indeed from being made in a god's image or mirroring the essence of the universej0e

    Don't forget about those teleological evolutionists... OK ok, they are pretty rare actually (Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and Bergson come to mind).
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    I cannot write an essay here but if you explore the idea of neutral; metaphysical theory you'll find it solves all philosophical problems.FrancisRay

    Can you provide a name/book title associated with this?
  • Pronouns
    Theirs isn't the cry of the oppressed, it's the buzz-speak of the very confused.Bitter Crank

    Agreed. It's the cry of the entitled. Real oppression doesn't leave space for such pathetic concerns. You ever hear of a society suffering under a famine complain about gender pronouns? Only in the west could this phenomenon happen. Its an insult to people with real oppression.

    And yeah maybe I'm just an old fart too
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    There is so little consensus in shared ideas and so much fragmentationJack Cummins

    We might say the same about the various interpretations of quantum physics. Yet, the fact that there are various interpretations with no clear consensus (yet) does not indicate a lack of progress. Surely, lack of progress would mean the absence of ideas.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    Just because certain problems (I'd rather not use the word 'mystery') in philosophy remain unsolved, does not mean that progress hasn't been made. There are numerous positions and responses to these problems, some more convincing than others. We could say certain problems are provisionally solved, or even conditionionally. It's a slow march to victory but progress is made filling in the details.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?


    I will enjoy my dream, you enjoy your dogmatism.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    That's not a knowledge ...

    . Just a truth being reflected by me ... Truth is never a knowledge ...

    . It is existencial ... It is not your so-called philosophical jargon ...
    Anand-Haqq

    Oh OK. So your truth is that we shouldn't learn from the truth of others. Yet here you are, sharing your truth anyway. By your own assertion then, we shouldn't pay any attention to you.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    You need to be a light unto yourself ... Books will make you more knowledgeable ...

    . A wise being is not knowledgeable ... He is as an innocent child ... Pure ...

    . You don't need to decorate scriptures nor to read them ...

    . You need to read your book ... your inner book ... YES ... that's the only one worth reading ...
    Anand-Haqq

    So your 'knowledge' is that we shouldn't learn from the knowledge of others. Yet here you are, sharing your knowledge anyway. By your own assertion then, we shouldn't pay any attention to you.
  • what do you know?


    I experience (or, there is experience).
  • Eric Weinstein
    Hah. So no one can actually say if Weinstein is being legit here with his arguments. That's odd of him, I'd think he would want to let other people see his work even if outside academia...Manuel

    He has received strong criticism from his peers and has not addressed any of them yet. I wouldn't get my hopes up about geometric unity.
    Timothy Nguyen for example has pointed out some major issues with Weinstein's GU.
  • How should philosophy relate to all (current) scientific research?
    Two apple plus Two orange still equals four OR two?SteveMinjares

    In programming this is akin to operating on 2 different types, which would either throw an error or do some kind of operator overloading (depending on the particular programming language being used).

    Your description of philosophy seems to have reduced it to study of logical relations. Mathematical logic is, as I'm sure you already know, a part of CS and boolean logic is what the whole science is built on. Good luck in your experiments though.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    But it can be experienced right? Are you a non dualist?
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    Absolute simplicity is nothing. A truth which cannot be known.
  • Can the philosophical mysteries be solved at all?
    Our understanding is no better than it has ever been. It's just more complex (which is an indication that it is further from the truth).synthesis

    Only if you assert that truth is simple.
  • How should philosophy relate to all (current) scientific research?
    I am using philosophy to become a better computer programmer. By not trying to find solutions but to engage in different forms of expressions that can be adapted to my programming language.SteveMinjares

    I don't see how philosophy can help you with that. Programming language theory and computer science is more relevant no?

    The thing in itself won't help you design a parser.
  • Platonic Realism & Scientific Method
    The critic, Harold Bloom, was able to read and process 1000 pages in little over an hour with almost total recall.Tom Storm

    I've seen this claim before and I really doubt it is even possible (I know this is irrelevant to the rest or your post, sorry).
  • Everyone's Start to Philosophy
    Ah yes the good old both/and overflowing superabundance of the Real, where everything and nothing resides. /slurps