Thank you for your time and comment. Yes, it isn't exactly a simple or complex statement, but I feel the philosophy which we live in are the problem here. Mine is towards Humanism, but within that I see how a Human can be eliminated by either not caring or not at all considering them in their philosophy.
My hopes were to show how these incorrectly and unjustly are harming those who want a long enough existence to find a philosophy which fits for them.


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Yes, this is mine, thank you for your comment and time.

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Hello Everyone,

I think this is a philosophical discussion starter.
There are huge points within the structure of my point, I feel. The philosophy that doing anything for $ is "ok" no matter how society is affected?
The philosophical notion of the "right" of being able to say anything to try and get your point across, free speech vs "well hold on, you can't say "bomb" in an airport". Limitations vs unlimited creativity???
I know I am not right for anyone but me when I wrote what I wrote, I happily will explore the ramifications if you wish to discuss any.
I'll be checking back regularly.

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Interesting XTG,

I think that to truly judge someone the factors needed couldn't be calculable. Not that a considered right or wrong can't and shouldn't be brought into the equation but if I steal your hubcaps to impress a girl vs I stole the hubcaps for a loaf of bread or I stole them because they are a symbol of god on Earth to be prayed to should be part of this. As to how to punish the end should be the direction you push. A person who does this to be cool needs to be shown the results of such actions. The hungry should be fed and not treated with derision and them needing help to even function shouldn't be in any situation other than a care facility where the medication and treatment/help can be given.
Of these the only close to a cell would be the one who did it to impress, but this was simply a poor judgement call, this person should in no way be put with "the worst of the worst" and thrown away after.
Our move towards technology possibly being smart enough to be perceived able to judge I would have to add that though we can do all these wiz bang things doesn't mean we have evolved as a society to be able to comprehend the morality and the ethical issues of such a giant leap.
Look at the atomic bomb, we can build it but we are not smart enough to have it in our possession.
Please I am not saying tech=bad I am saying that huge jumps far too often results in trauma.
The ramifications need to be further investigated. We have attached nearly half of the World with computer tech and yet no one seems to be considering the effect this change will make.
The way it will forever affect the Human race whether we get to a "judgebot".
The other problem is found within the constraints of what we collectively "know". Could a person who believes in god swear to a computer and allow it to judge them? I think that would be a huge battle for the Sci-fi I love so much.

Thanks a lot for continuing my conversation XTG

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I am sorry XTG I can't find that option yet, but I am searching. Thanks

Excellent thanks always trying to look in as well.

Thanks

Thanks TheMadFool for your comment.

I agree that perfection appears to good to be true but what I am suggesting is nothing near perfection it is just my of constructing a more Humane way of treating our family members.
But I don't mean to sound too much an optimist but we need to reach higher to see what we can accomplish. To continue to do because that's the way it's been done negates the possibilities found in change.
We also need to add Einstein's intelligent perceptive about "expecting different results".
Just because society is putting the weight of conformity upon you doesn't mean you can't look for a better way. And when you do dream big.
We can make a change and make a better place to be "ok" even for those of who unfortunately get caught for their missteps.

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Great XTG,
Thanks for posting.
Guilt in my opinion is a combination of perceived expectations, how I should act, and what is inside of you, so emotional addition. If you have no guilt it is immediately apparent to those around and we all mask who we are and what we think so we act out in a combination of how we are actually feeling and what we believe we should be presenting to those around us.
With guilt about a situation you have the initial hit the feelings around the situation. But as with everything guilt is fluid. What you feel right this second you may well absolutely have a different view the next.
With guilt it can build if you can't work through the process of making the situation part of your life. So the guilt grows and is perverted in your experience and thoughts.
So is it emotional, yes it is. A hit at your psyche you feel bad about. But it isn't solely an emotion because there is the thought processes that get involved and completely change the perspective or guilt you have.
As for innocence again this is just my opinion I think innocence needs to be looked very much into. "the state, quality, or fact of being innocent of a crime or offense." per Google.
Using the stroke patient from my post you can say that he/she is innocent of mowing over a bunch of pedestrians. It was out of his/her control. However, to be truly innocent, again in my opinion, in the presence of a possibility of a stroke, i.e. age, health, etc. if any of these known factors were taken into account prior to getting behind the wheel makes the driver culpable of the accident. By possessing a vascular system which can bleb or block or burst means you can have a stroke.
I know I am going far but their is the reality of innocence to be taken into account.
So in this way culpability goes beyond the driver and goes back to the first of us wanting to go faster which lead to us having cars.
This is the problem I am trying to address in my post. The concept of guilt, innocence and punishment especially when we aren't robots and each possess our own thought processes and each react to and deal with each "lion" in our lives.

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Excellent Wayfarer,
Yes it is big especially with the political World we have always lived in but the system that is the foundation per

"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."

-Fyodor Dostoevsky, from The House of the Dead

This was in the 1800s speaking at the same system in place today.
These people are in need and not refuse. "Every "man" is created equal" is another quote to place herein.
Yes they did wrong but we all do wrong. If everyone was convicted for every crime they commit the streets would be completely empty. As would the schools, churches, offices and the White House, the World.
They did wrong, they got caught, nothing more. Very Human action to go against "no" especially when "need" is in play.
The next step is the measure of a society. To kill a drugs offender or any criminal is not to see that all we are doing is "legally" ending the pain of this poor persons life. Excising them, yes, but we killed them. We murdered them a member of society, a brother or sister. We then are all to be punished under the Thou Shalt Not Kill list of 10, no?
We are also saying we have given up on this person, the ultimate betrayal of a society made of family.
I worked in the psych ward of a children's prison and I am aware that there are people who are beyond the "touch of man". In these cases society does very much need to be protected but these people are only currently psychologically/psychologically incapable of being reached.
To put a bullet through their brainbox again only makes society culpable in their death. And someone has to pull the trigger or flick the switch or whatever "humane" method is the flavor of the week. Yes, this person, sorry this man says "just doin' my job" and claims he "just brushes it off" but if it doesn't effect him the executing, murdering, legally or otherwise of another Human then society needs to be protected from him.
Huge but again this, Wayfarer could happen to you, you like me are very fallible and we all make mistakes and missteps. Don't you deserve a fair shake? Don't you deserve to be treated well, like a Human?
And as for mental stability that is totally fluid. The correct series of events could well put you into some very bad places very quickly. We, as Humans are also reactionary, on this don't react but think.

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Sorry everyone,

Auto-correct mistake, it should say Bengal tiger.

Sorry, only human.

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Hello everyone,
"Crack-whore Conundrum" can be found here - http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/crack-whore-conundrum the others are also present.

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Once again thank you Londoner

when I utilized "true" I was trying to indicate the concept of irrefutability in as simple way as possible.

My quest is to find the truth in truth.

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Got any FACTS we can chew over?

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Very well made point and I can see how it fits into Wittgenstein's view of course based on eons of other equally intelligent people asking Philosophical questions, but when examined it didn't give me enough peace or faith that "there are facts because it makes life easier" doesn't make mine more "ok".
Please, give me one fact in your life that you believe is FACT. Nothing more, inclusive of any further attempts at demeaning me while I am "doing Philosophy".
If you think you look more intelligent than me or better than me by attempting to bully me on a Philosophy forum as I ask a fucking simply question. FACT = TRUE? It only proves you are at the wrong fucking forum.
Thank you for your help,

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But that is only a fact because I have not yet been able to find one. And yet I may well have found it but can't recognize it.

Excellent Mariner thank you

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