Do the criteria of success for a system of science themselves belong in the science category? Must you have a scientific judgment before you can judge a system of science?
No. Same with ethics. — Pfhorrest
Bringing people out of existence through horrible disease is not part of the antinatalist agenda, sorry. Certainly being brought into existence exposes people all around the world to this though. — schopenhauer1
Say something or be silent. — schopenhauer1
He is suggesting that the majority of Atheists are angry. — 3017amen
And by what standard, pray tell, do you judge the reliability of your system of morality? — SophistiCat
Short answer: Same way I judge the reliability of science.
Long answer is about 80,000 words if you care to read it. You could start here for just the objectivity part or the last section of this for a general overview. — Pfhorrest
Do not have children. Over and out. But I'll be back shortly. — schopenhauer1
Near as I can tell, you mean something like 'coordinate time' when using the phrase 'relativistic time'. — noAxioms
Can there be time without clocks? — noAxioms
Up to a point, yes. However, by its nature, secular morality allows for challenge. — Txastopher
Even if every person where to think exactly the same about morality that wouldn't make morality objective. It's an objective fact that all people think the same in that case, but it's still something people think... so it doesn't get anymore 'subjective' than that. Words have meanings.
Morality is something we create, like language is, we do not observe or find morality or language like we find objective facts about the world. And so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use terms like true or correct or whatever equivalent. — ChatteringMonkey
So yeah, what philosophers have been trying to do in ethics over the ages, seems pure hubris to me, and doomed to fail. — ChatteringMonkey
Certainty is still the quality lacking in secular morals. — Txastopher
A secular system of morality as reliable as the physical sciences is possible. — Pfhorrest
Actually, you never really defined what you mean by 'relativistic time'. You say physical time is that which clocks measure. I think physics would say that a clock measures proper time, a frame independent property of any timelike worldline. — noAxioms
The article states: "In fact, unless inflation went on for a truly infinite amount of time, or the Universe was born infinitely large, the Universe ought to be finite in extent." I admit I was only addressing the first possibility, but the second possibility remains just an assumption. — Relativist
The first article showed that, according to accepted physics, spatial extension can only be infinite if there is an infinite past - that's why I focused on past time. — Relativist
This does not apply to my claim. Sure, it's coherent - his statement entails no logical contradiction, but it circularly assumes the infinity exists, and it is that assumption that I challenge. — Relativist
Physics will never be able to prove the past is infinite, all it can possibly do is to show that no past boundary of time has been found. — Relativist
My argument is in the spirit of David Conway’s, in that I utilize the concept of completeness. However, Smith’s refutation doesn’t apply to my argument. — Relativist
How can an infinity of days become completed? — Relativist
the collection of events cannot add up to an infinite collection in a finite amount of time, but they do so add up in an infinite amount of time. And since it is coherent to suppose that in relation to any present an infinite amount of time has elapsed, it is also coherent to suppose that in relation to any present an infinite collection of past events has already been formed by successive addition. — Smith, Infinity and the Past
I’m not making the bold claim that an infinite past is logically impossible, I simply claim that there’s no conceptual basis for considering it POSSIBLE, and therefore it’s more rational to reject it. — Relativist
Personally, I would not refer to time as measured by a clock as "physical time". I would call it "clock time" or some such. Time as measured by a clock is stochastic. It only follows from the second law of thermodynamics, which is not fundamental law. It doesn't even make an assertion that is true in all possible worlds that have the same fundamental law as ours. And that have a Bug Bang.
There is a possible world where my fair coin has always come up heads, even though I have tossed it a quadrillion times. Likewise, there is a possible world in which my pocket watch has always run backwards, without being broken in any way. — Douglas Alan
The fact that clocks are not reliable in all possible worlds, or after the heat death of the universe leads me to exactly the opposite conclusion: We should not be making any profound metaphysical conclusions at all based on clock time. We should stick to relativistic time. — Douglas Alan
Two percent isn't low. I'd say flu's 0.1% is low. — Michael
And yet, if space is finite, it's contents are finite - which would entail some upper bound. Current physics indicates that space, and its contents, extends in space through a temporal process (described here). This means the extent can only be unbounded if the past is unbounded (which the article also states). — Relativist
It's been a long time since I studied special relativity (we spent several weeks on it in Physics 101), but IIRC, relativity doesn't provide a forward and reverse direction of time. It just provides two directions of time, and they are symmetric. — Douglas Alan
I don't see the problem. There are two directions of time. Neither of these directions of time ever changes. The only thing that might change is which direction of time is pointing towards greater entropy could change. But the direction is not changing. Only what is in that direction might change. — Douglas Alan
You are not addressing the problem. What part of the universe you could not potentialy see on your monitor? You can either name what kind of object or information it is that your monitor can not visually convey, or you have to admit your monitor can convey any and every possible information. — Zelebg
The question is whether this encyclopedia of everything has infinite number of pages or not. The answer is no, because there is no reason why your monitor could not display any of those pages, and the number of pages your monitor can display is finite. — Zelebg
Faulty hypothesis — jgill
What do you make of it? — Zelebg
I’m not sure if you are saying there is a problem with my argument or not. If there is, point to which statement of mine is supposed to be unwarranted. — Zelebg
Alas, I'm not sure where the confusion is arising. If you believe that GR entails eternalism, the forward direction of time is given straight-forwardly by the direction of increasing entropy. (Modulo situations in which there is no such clear direction, such as post-heat death of the universe. But since there won't be philosophers existing then to worry about the problem or to experience what it is like to live in this time, this would seem to be moot to an eternalist.) — Douglas Alan
The argument is simply that relativity of simultaneity isn't sufficient by itself to imply a block universe. An additional premise is required, which is that all events to the past of any observer's surface of simultaneity are fixed and certain. — Andrew M
There is a significant difference between full color, grayscale, and a picture that can only show black / white pixels. It doesn’t follow ‘there are only two distinct things in the universe’ from the ability to ‘encode all the information in the universe with a digital dataset’. You are obfuscating delimiters between different binary strings encoding many different things. What follows is just that any information can be encoded with a minimal set of only two bits, nothing more follows. — Zelebg
This is more evidence for eternalism if you ask me. E.g., why is it that "metaphysical time" just happens to agree with the arrow of time placed by the direction of increased entropy? What a fortunate coincidence, since it would be a crazy world otherwise.
For eternalism, there is no problem here.
On the other hand, I guess presentists could just say that the world had a 50/50 chance, and fortunately, it came up heads. — Douglas Alan
I think you're just saying that relativity doesn't entail an arrow of time, nor is it dependent on there being one. Nevertheless, relativity is consistent with there being an arrow of time. Relativity is not a theory of everything. — Relativist
The article, instead of providing anything that might actually give me some insight into the answer, just provides a lot of history. Okay, history can be interesting. But I'd prefer actual insight to a long exposition on many failed attempts. — Douglas Alan
I did some skimming of the references you provided that were actually available to me. One thing I noted that was of interest is that in a closed timelike curve, there can be no consistent entropy gradient that gives time its forward arrow. If there were such a gradient, you couldn't return in the loop to the same point in space-time, since that point must have the same entropy, and consequently it wouldn't be a closed curve. It seems that this would make traveling around one unpleasant. But, I suppose if it were large enough, you could refrain from going all the way around the loop, and I suppose there could be a gradient that does not change direction in the part that you stay on. Well, this is probably neither here nor there for this discussion, but I found it an interesting worry. — Douglas Alan
In what sense do virtual or real particles live outside the mathematical equations? — MathematicalPhysicist