@Hanover
Hm.

@Johnny Public
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What part of Chicago are you from?

I am hanging on you guys but I gotta tell you Nov 3 was the arrival and we are how far past that? I know he loves his Mom and is going to miss her but I cannot breathe.... :grimace:

Listening to Trump talk about the denuclearization of N. Korea.
How much time needs to pass to heal such wounds?
Can trust ever be restored?

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I am watching a special on "Comfort Care" in regards to dear Barbara Bush and it brings up how we get to choose when to go, who we want around and when we are ready. In the back of my mind I always wonder if the patient was just given the right to die with dignity by a compassionate Doctor who knows that a drop too much of this pain med will take life that is on the edge of ceasing and let it rest.
Helping someone leave life on their own terms, with no quality of life, should be something that is available to Doctors to legally help assist. Maybe Mrs. Bush is going to start a trend...

I was never allowed to verbally express myself to these people because they never listened or never heard me, but I made them listen through my presence. I never knew, though, that was the reason that I was here, not until you said that to me. — TimeLine

What you wrote here is beautiful~

From the bed to the office. About 10 steps. :yawn: — TimeLine

Glorious~ :cheer: :party: Gonna have to install a coffee maker at step 5 :yawn:

I love the way this discussion keeps popping back up. Makes me smile every time. — T Clark

It's an awesome place to be! :heart:

By making curved shelves. The difference between one end and the other over a six foot shelf would not be too much. You would just have to learn to stack the big ones in the middle. — Sir2u

Lololol that would likely work!

No doubt you were thinking of this kind of barrel furniture. — Bitter Crank

Hey! They sell those at the feed store! I can get you as many as you like but you might need a flame torch to cut them into those funky shapes that defeat the purpose of the barrel. Men. :confused:

This goes to the question of how things are grounded. I want a rational ground; someone else wants emotion/feeling; a third wants utility; a fourth, care. A fifth shrugs and say it's all relative; a sixth says nothing matters - do what you want. — tim wood

@tim wood You tagged each of the personalities in my group of friends!

Somehow I think my last words will be something like: ”That’s not exactly what I had in mind...” Or: ”Well that was interesting...” — XTG

Or I woud likely say: "Hmm I wonder what that button does?" :lol:

Philosophy has produced many theories on ethics. Some say it's about happiness and other say it's about duty or about virtue.

The point is we haven't got an infallible guide to ethcial living. Perhaps ethics isn't something that can be understood in a purely rational sense.

Why?

A lot of our moral instincts (in the absence of anything solid in philosophy) involve emotion. Yes, emotion is bad for rationality - fallacies breed in feelings - but we also know that a good moral foundation requires empathy. And empathy is emotion.

So, I ask you, do you think we need to invest our hearts and not just our brains in ethics? — TheMadFool

Absolutely we need to invest our hearts. I would like to add that although empathy might be an emotion, "empathy" can also be a very effective tool in understanding another person, not through proof or evidence but much like Aristotle taught us that "It is a mark of an educated mind to entertain the ideas of others, without taking them on for you own."

To me empathy is the highest form of understanding another person and can allow the most natural emotional connection to take place. When you are mirroring another and are empathetic to their position, your field of possibilities of things you had not thought of expands.

Now to the necessity of having the heart in place as well as ethics. We as "thinkers" gravitate towards an ethical balance and in most cases, we can debate what is and isn't ethical but when we put identities in play, hearts and minds attached, it can take on a whole new meaning that you never saw coming. But because you are capable of expressing empathy or listening empathetically and have your ethical compass in place, you can entertain ideas that usually fall out of the norm.

For instance: I am still working through an idea that is already acceptable ethically and implemented in Australia, that is very impressive when it comes to showing empathy to those who might be struggling with something most of us don't encounter but this is one that threw me for a loop. I have been working for two, maybe three years to find my ethical balance on government paying for this but my empathy factor is already convinced.

See what you think of this:
Sex workers

to the Australian and Danish government paying for:
The right to fornication has its own internal logic and social workers in Denmark as well as Australia have followed it industriously to its conclusion in the care of disabled clients.

Can you see how both ethics and heart, love and empathy are all in play?

I got an email today from my manager allowing me to work from home two days a week, so now I can finally fill my days "working" designing objects around the house — TimeLine

Congratulations! The commute is amazing! :wink:

@Eddie
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Those canyons scare the crap out of me. One little storm miles away and you're dead. They are beautiful though. — T Clark

You are a very observant person. I personally could hike that Canyon, which is one of the easiest hikes but I am claustrophobic and I see a lack of Oxygen, so no for me. I am a strong swimmer and I have thought about what I would do if caught in a Flash Flood through the canyon and I think my best bet for survival is to tread water and let the water level rise and allow the current to carry me out.
Then again, those who have lost their lives in the flash floods, might have thought the same.
I need a game plan and a safe way out before I try anything. Silly huh?

I cannot tell you how many people get on horses, thinking they know how to ride and the first question they ask is "So to make him go I just kick with my heels right?" The first question is NEVER how do I make the horse stop in the event he takes off with me. Never, not once. People often get so excited that they forget to ask how to get the experience to stop but never how to get it started.

No, shut the bloody door was always the last words I heard as I left the house. — Sir2u

I remember that one! Followed quickly by "Quit slamming the front door!". It was a no win situation!
Irony? Both kids slammed the door UNTIL the oldest started staying the night at his girlfriend's house (she still lives at home) and now, all of a sudden, he is VERY good at taking the time to close the door silently. :kiss:
He still gets busted coming home late because Rotties are around and have a tendency to announce people coming in the door in the middle of the night. :wink:

Antelope Slot Canyon, Page AZ

Chocolate needs to be the last word. :heart:

@Pine Recluse
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I have only told NicK about this and shared it on the "Last Word" thread but this song is what I put on when I find myself frustrated/hurt/disappointed in my Dad not wanting to pursue any life saving measures. Stubborn bastard but somehow Frank makes it easier to understand. :hearts:

@jm0
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@XTG
Welcome to The Philosophy Forum and your introduction!
I think you will find a bit of a payoff for the struggles you have endured to make it this far when entertaining the discipline of philosophy. Some you will agree with and others will make your hair stand on end but eventually you will find your groove and fit right in. It sounds like you had a childhood that you can extract 'character' from and I look forward to reading you on the boards.
We are happy you are here~

Not sure if this will help - I don't have a lot of friends, but I have found friends here. If you hang around a little while, you will too. Maybe that's not enough, but this could be a place where you feel at home. — T Clark

What a beautiful perspective on The Philosophy Forum~ Thank you~

Feels like I am suffocating... — Lone Wolf

From what?

The lady likes her hot chocolate does she? — Hanover

Hella yeah!

@Time
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We have been waiting for you!

The last word should definately be chocolate based so if you two could work some into your stories I would be forever grateful.
:heart:

@Kym

Howdy pardners (adjusts his white Stetson), — Kym

Welcome cowboy! Love a cowboy who wears a white hat~
Happy Trails to you~

@Andrew4Handel
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@jkg20
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It's comparing apples and oranges.

Well, if you imagine viewing them from some distance, both are spherical... — ahmad bilal

Perspective matters. :up:

We are within 48 hrs of departure but I have to be shhhh not to duck it up! :eyes:

This is all to say that I am not arguing that intuition and rationality are diametrically opposed. If I were, then I would be saying women's intuition really is nothing more than women's irrationality. And if I said that, I'd have no one's hand to hold. — Hanover

Damn straight :up:

I love that feeling when we reach a moment where what we both want is somehow aligned, like we're both thinking the same thing. Speed. — TimeLine

It is an amazing time to be alive when you are aligned. :love:

I accidentally deleted my post about pap smears and stallions. — TimeLine

I think I am glad I missed this post? Pap smears I get but stallions? Maybe I am just used to riding geldings.

He better be careful not to catch fire. — Hanover

OMG! Did you know there is a name for females that get weak in the knees when a Fire Fighter is around? Or maybe know that her local firehouse shops on Saturday am? ONLY because I like to shop before it's 100* outside!

While it is unlikely you will heed this advice, IMHO I believe it is best that you reading and writing about philosophy other than what you are doing to earn your degree on your own terms and doing what interests you. For if you don't there is a good chance that it will all will become just 'work' to you and it will become just as boring and tedious as whatever you did before you did for the government before you enrolled in the program you are now in. — dclements

Excellent advice~

@tania
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