Carrying a firearm comes with a great deal of responsibility and judgement calls that sometimes have to be made in a 'split second' and considering the use of a firearm is never an easy one. Yes, some become reckless when stress arrives in a life and death situation but others are capable of channeling that stress into a heightened awareness of what is going on and make those split second decisions and it does save lives, sometimes without firing a shot." — ArguingWAristotleTiff
Yes, but the consequences of those bad judgements outweigh the consequences of those good judgements. This is evidenced by statistics. Here in the U.K. we have considerably less gun crime, and it isn't because our private citizens or police force is armed, since it's only special units which are armed, and we have very tight gun control. — Sapientia
I'm not sure why you haven't addressed any of my comments, by the way. — Sapientia
People did occasionally get murdered in the parks--maybe 1, 2 or 3 per decade. One morning (1:30 a.m {+/-) I was sitting on my perch on a rail fence waiting for guys to saunter by. A young guy joined me on the rail. We chatted a bit, and among other things he told me he had a gun on him. I wasn't happy about it, but there was nothing much I could do or say at that point that would decrease any risk to life or limb. Eventually he moved on, and there were no murders there that night. — Bitter Crank
I was mugged on a downtown street by a knife wielding drugged out zombie around 11:30 p.m — Bitter Crank
Supposing that early morning in the park I had a gun handy and pulled it out, telling the guy to go back the way he came. Having done that, I would know that this now angry person might be waiting for me when I decided to leave the park (only one way out) and stepped onto the sidewalk under bright street lights. Bang bang, maybe. Dead crank. — Bitter Crank
That is a very thought provoking statement. I think in some ways the political correctness that was ushered into society to show respect, encouraging politeness, has in a way allowed for people to feel offended by anything that goes against their own thoughts.I wonder about how 'polite' society is possible today, we seem to be moving too fast to allow it. — Cavacava
While it is true that stress effects everyone, not everyone becomes "reckless" just because they are an armed citizen. I am not suggesting that everyone is capable of such judgement calls nor am I suggesting that innocent bystanders cannot be at risk but there is a risk ratio to consider.All people are reckless under stress. Stress happens. Therefore people carrying guns are dangerous to me. Guns need to be banned and then those who keep them will be criminals we can put in jail before they kill somebody. — Landru Guide Us
I do believe that my state of Arizona operates in my best interest when it comes to showing it's opinion to the Nation as a whole.Do you feel like your State is your friend, or is it an interest-pursuing machine which might callously disregard your interests? — Bitter Crank
I didn't want to have to shift the context and I will tell you why I did. It is a point of clarification to make sure that those who do not live in a right to carry a concealed weapon state, understand that even though it is YOUR right to legally carry a firearm, carrying a firearm onto private property (Concert Venues/Movie Theaters/Starbucks/Bars) or into a Federal/State government building (Airports/Military Installations/Court Houses/Police Stations/Motor Vehicle Departments,ect) is still strictly forbidden.Now you shifted the context Tiff.
There is a difference between qualified security being armed and non-qualified audience members being armed.
The main point is, you simply do not attend a concert and expect an attack by terrorists out of the blue. This sort of attack can happen anywhere at any time, so is the solution to have everyone out of fear armed with firearms in the event that something might happen? To live as such is to gives into the desire to create a life of fear allowing the terrorists to win. — Mayor of Simpleton
I am thrilled that you can see my skepticism because it took a lot of years, a lot of layers to peel back and a LOT of heavy lifting by international friends like Benkei and Tobias to get to the point I am yet I recognize I have a long way to go.I do see your skepticism, Tiff. You believe that your government is out to exploit you or something, I guess that's why you want Americans to own guns.
I have another good one about hard-wired national qualities. My ex Prime minister once said that the Greeks have anti-racist DNA. — Πετροκότσυφας
I respectfully disagree. The golden time of intervention of such a hostage taking is immediate and with force. I think of what would happen at a concert venue here in the USA, even where firearms are forbidden, those who are security at the venue would be armed and able to respond. In that massive of a crisis, the first to react would be the ones with the best window of opportunity to neutralize the threat. It is a of a lot hell faster than assembling a task force to figure out a way in. Grant you, the USA does the same in assembling task forces where hostages are involved but venues are required to provide security equal to the implied threat.This would do nothing whatsoever to deter terrorism. — Mayor of Simpleton
I will not deny that what you say is a risk but not enough to discourage a citizen to take personal responsibility for their safety and those around them.If anything, this would give cause to violent overreactions; thus increasing the chances of people being shot for really no reason other than fear of something that may be terrorism that is not. — Mayor of Simpleton