Is there a way to delete a response other than to edit it to a . or a *editor/moderator delete please?

@Benkei Congratulations on becoming an editor. :cheer:

Un, I think you are modest to believe, that your not holding the suicide card in your hand, has anything to do with luck.
Unless you mean that you have never been in a dark enough place to have thought about suicide as an out. Is that what you meant?

Thank you dear friend for believing in defending my honor.
However, I was mistaken in looking for someone to defend my honor when I am the only one that can or will.
Once again it came down to my error of placing an "expectation" on someone other than myself.

You just thanked me. There is no need to thank me again within 3 words. But thank you for thanking me, and thanks.

- fdrake

I LOVE the gratefulness of it all! :heart:

@DingoJones
Welcome to The Philosophy Forum!
We are glad you are here~

:yum: :yum:

So, the gods were mental instruments to deal with the world. — Mariner

Yes. I do believe that the idea of a "God" or many "Gods" were created by the living to explain the unexplainable.

Chocolate

This thread lacks direction. I suggest we close it. — Posty McPostface

Noo!! Please don't! This thread is one of the ones that make me smile based upon the levity and those in attendance! :flower:

Does size determine a woman's faithfulness? — MountainDwarf

The "size" of what?
We women can buy the size we want, so I would say "size" has no equation with a degree of faithfulness.

@Hanover
I was thinking about asking this song to be played along with Ave Maria and Amazing Grace and it turns out the members of the Motab (The Mormon Tabernacle Choir) are not all that into the Dead. Go figure! I'll be singing it loud and clear! Cause I don't care! :flower: :heart: :flower:

Contrary to the hopes of Enlightenment rationalists, religions haven’t simply shrivelled and died, but are still hugely influential in culture and society. And that’s because they stand for something, they represent realities which can’t be depicted in any other terms. — Wayfarer

I agree with the idea that across almost all cultures, there is a "God" to explain the unexplainable. But if we look at "religions" the world over, we likely would have more than 100 different "God's" all of which are "right", to those who believe.

If the relationship exists between a person and their "God", it is the most intimate relationship alive, one that should be respected, even if we do not believe.

Who are we to question?

You don't know and I don't know either. And in that shared unknown, is where you will find some of us that question the existence of "God".

I think I am going to need to retain an attorney to represent me before my plane leaves Phoenix.
@Hanover
@Ciceronianus the White

Now, can I rant about the bitch?
She "cannot make it" to the private family viewing this morning before cremation because she has a "Doctor's Appointment"? :rage:
Are you duckin kidding me? A "Doctor's Appointment"? During the last time you will see your husband?

@Baden@Posty McPostface
Thank you kindly for your condolences. :hearts:

Yes. Trump will be re-elected.

Welcome to The Philosophy Forum Simon!
It's a pleasure to meet you.

Philosophy of religion is a perfectly respectable subject. Units on it are included in almost every philosophy curriculum — Wayfarer

I totally agree. There is a cross over in the same way that Western and Eastern Medicine co-mingle.

Is Religion Philosophy? — Marcus de Brun

Philosophy is the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

Theology is the study of the nature of God and religious belief.

Philosophy for me is mental discipline for me to question life with.
Religion for me it to blindly believe without proof something that one cannot point to.

:flower: My Dad took his last breath almost 12 hrs ago and now knows the answer to one of life's fundamental questions about what happens after we cease living. He lived his life according to his belief in God and Heaven so I can only hope he has been received with love from those who have passed before. :flower:
He is out of pain and whole again. :heart: :heart: :heart:
Thank you for your love my friends~

I'll give you a hug, Tiff. *Hug* :hearts: — Baden

Hugs Baden :hearts:

We have figured out what is going on with my Dad. It is a diagnosis that I believe should have been found out long ago, years ago but we move forward and do not waste time on yesterday.

My Dad has been diagnosed with Bone Cancer, Pancreatic Cancer, Liver Cancer all advanced Stage 4 and a spot on one Kidney they believe to be Cancer. As a result of the terminal diagnosis, we decided to, as a family, discontinue seeking any further medical treatment.

Sunday we signed on Hospice so he is back at the nursing home and resting. He was eating 20% of his food and a little water but yesterday they found food pocketed in his mouth from the night before. For that reason they have discontinued any more food. He can no longer swallow, so they have discontinued all fluids. He is on Oxygen only for comfort and Morphine every 2 hours as needed. Since he cannot comunicate, they are going to be pretty liberal with the Morphine. They have Lorazapam on order in the event that his breathing gets labored. There have been friends and family visiting since 3 weeks ago but much more frequently now. There is no bedside vigil but that is only because I am not there yet.

I had to choose between going in for the rapid decline and staying here in AZ, to work a job, to earn the money to pay for the trip. I cancelled my job and then asked for it back, knowing that Dad is going to have who he wants there when he passes. If he wants me there, it will be, if not then I will have to find peace somewhere within me.

As I sob here, alone with my furry clients, in a place that is close to Heaven, I sincerely Thank each and every one of you that have helped me along this journey. It is not over but the destination is clear, my Dad's journey is now between he and his God, as he wanted it to be.

I am weak my friends and I don't know how to do this. I am begging for the grace of good people to know my heart's true intentions and to find comfort somewhere within the silence of endearing huggs.

Damn I need a hug....

I'm sensing the need for a druthers thread. — Hanover

Hanover, never listen to anyone who tries to tell you that you are anything less than sensitive. :flower:

That reminds me of something. — Hanover

What?

I mean he sucks for multiple reasons including openly lying to the senate in 2006, opposing allowing a minor immigrant an abortion, — Maw

I am not familiar with that charge but if you have a link I would be interested in reading it.

regarding the sexual assault allegation, I do think there is enough credibility to the claim to justify stalling the vote and holding an investigation. — Maw

Looking at you quizickly... how many decades ago, were they both underage or consenting of age? Have you ever personally been involved with or a friend who was with a partner who is making allegations like these?

A large portion of conservatives have expressed...interesting positions on it, but I'll hold my tongue on that until I hear your response. — Maw

I am at a disadvantage as I don't have much more than my phone for news outside the ranch I am caring for so I am not sure what the conservative views are. I only know what experiences I have to draw on. That and the knowledge that a man or woman should be judged on a totality of their actions not on one alone.

I appreciate your response.

I will Maw. What is your position on him?

I miss the community feel and the freedom to talk casually to others. Call me silly but I appreciate that human connection.

What I mean is, we all know where it is (especially the regulars), so the direct problem is not the location as such. It's that we couldn't be bothered posting there. Which is interesting in itself. It's sort of like a negative feedback bandwagon loop thingie rather than anything rational stopping us. — Baden

I respectfully disagree. I think location makes the difference, new members do not know about it unless they are called onto one of the Lounge threads. I can tell you it makes a difference in trying to get to know other members on a friendly basis and that is the community feel that is so very important in weaving together a community.
Try to be mindful of the conclusions you are drawing because I don't believe that people are "bothered" with posting in the Shoutbox but rather it was a place of common gathering.

Okay my one achievement in life that was awarded a plaque was to my surprise: Top Home Economic Student of my 8th grade graduating class. Woo Hoo! We learned how to hand sew, machine sew, cook, clean, make a list, check it twice. Measure twice, cut once. Liquid measure are not equal to dry measure. Altitude and attitude affect your final outcome in life and baking. Tired yet? Cold water when in doubt, hot water with bleach but only with whites, iron cool, boiling egg water hot, never forget to use oven mitts. The seam ripper is your best friend as is your balanced check book. Never pay full price for meat, aged is better. Always shop holiday sales and milk freezes. Never trust a skinny Chef, always have a clean home, an open door and a warm heart. :heart:

Home Ec? Never heard of it :razz:
Pst and I think I am a year younger than @Hanover or he was held back because my High School was 84-88....wait Hanover are you including 7th and 8th grade because then you would be a Genius!

Let's all post there more then. Then problem solved, no? — Baden

Haven't we given it a fair shake?

I was wondering if we could bring back the Shoutbox to the main page as only for the Lounge area?

One of the best features of a forum is a lively shoutbox, and I do miss the activity we can find in the shoutbox. — Posty McPostface

I agree 1000%. Thank you for asking @Posty McPostface

Every silver lining has got a touch of grey

My tribe is made up of you all here at TPF, an awesome group of "thinkers" from around the world. Thank you for including me in such an impressive group.

Here are a few that raise the hair

The hardest part is being alone with my thoughts. People's true colors come through. It's easy to be with people in times of joy but in times of what more can be said? The place gets deserted. I just need to be....

I appreciate your asking as I have been trying to not bring my fellow 'thinkers' down but I am having really hard time with this. My Dad is still in the hospital with an infection that they have been unable to track down. I asked that my Dad's request to stop all testing was followed but I believe he felt pressure, understandably so, when the Hospital's Social Worker, his Doc, my monster of his 3rd wife and Hospice walk in to talk about it. They have done every test under the moon including one on Sunday that I adamantly opposed which was to have a bone bi-opsy bedside (I couldn't even watch the video after I saw the instrument to be used) but they did it anyway. My Dad knows his name but that is it. When asked if he knows where he is? He says school. Is it day or night? Nothing.....just a blank stare. He has a "feeder" now which is assigned to feed him his meals because he can no longer feed himself in addition to have lost control over his faculties three years ago now.
They have discontinued his antipsychotic meds that he has been on as long as I have been alive. Not tittering it down, just stopping it on a dime. <shaking my head>
For what purpose? To what end?

We get more test results today. We find out the bone biopsy to find out if my Dad of 76 yrs has Leukemia? Bone Cancer? Spinal Meningitis? What fucking difference does it make? Do they really think he is going to make it through Radiation or Chemotherapy? To return to what?
They discontinued his antibiotics so as top not "mask" the results of tests. In the meantime a week ago his WBC was 18k, IV meds got it down to 14k and now it is back up to 20k which means his body is fighting something.

It is really, really flippin hard to pray that one of these tests come back positive so he is given a "terminal diagnosis" of which Parkinson's is not and an ability to bring in Hospice which will provide another set of eyes on my Dad as they plan on shipping him back to the nursing home once they get the test results. My Dad's wife is talking my Dad lasting another 4 years.... ??????????

So I am pondering a lot, having a hard time being alone with my thoughts, feeling lost with all this happening in Chicago with me so far away and damnitr…. its destroying me.
More than once in the last week I have thought about going to the hospital up the street, just so I can be around people who understand personal times of crisis because I look like a fool crying in public and NicK can only offer so much listening before he is tired of hearing about it.

And my Mom, my Golden Hospice Angel that walks among us, well I think my leaning on her for guidance about what all these tests mean and my brother needing an explanation as to what Hospice will and won't do for my Dad, her first husband, has gotten to be too much for her and her current husband of the last 30 yrs. Maybe it is just her watching her children go through stress of losing a parent, maybe it is her watching her first husband and our Dad, try to pass to the other side and not being respected. I am not really sure, all I know is that in a time in my life, that I have needed a little bit of good Karma to come my way, it's not arriving.

Am I being selfish in wishing my Dad a peaceful transition?

I think now that psychology is advancing much further, it will eventually discover a way to discuss emotions in objective and perhaps even logical terms. — BrianW

Could you please let me know when this happens?

And often does, I hear. — unenlightened

:rofl: I couldn't bring myself to use the other spelling but knew that some witty thinkers would catch it anyway! :love:

Monica? — S

Nah, Monica can come. :rofl: