In the news recently,300 Catholic priests molested 1000 children in one state alone.

Philosophers are folks who might at worst cheat on their wives, or drink or smoke a little sumpin' sumpin'. They don't usually commit acts of violence or molestation.

Religion and philosophy are really versions of the same thing. Trying to understand our world, people..The ethics in the bible are philosophical.

-3rdClassCitizen

How many people did Communism kill?

I don't think that you can prove from secular premises that objective morality is necessarily innate. I find the reasoning of the OP.... strange.

But indeed people are born upon the right religion and knowledge of right and wrong are innate.

This is why for example, right religion is perfectly in accord with the natural law and there is no disagreement between them.

This is some more material which exposes the false nature of the alleged Trinity.

Believers in the Trinity, I urge you to repent and to follow true monotheism. God is One.

I express what I believe, I believe what I believe. You believe differently. If you have an argument you'd like to discuss, let's discuss it.

Atheists tend to rely a whole lot on snark and this demonstrates that they are not operating from the vantage point of some sort of philosophical mountain top. Otherwise, they wouldn't need the gimmick of snark.

Furthermore, the whole concept that a theist has to be able to provide some sort of "proof" that other people can see is absurd.

I've never seen Alaska. Alaska exists whether I've seen it or not.

The non-theists don't know why the theists believe. You don't know what the person has experienced to make them believe. I've read Bertrand Russell, Dawkins, Sagan, etc. I've studied the atheist side and I know it pretty well.

Dawkins is pretty shallow philosophically. Same for Sagan.

Russell is above them but I still think his arguments are weak. If anyone wants to discuss arguments, let them discuss them.

We are not disembodied minds. We are people and we have experiences. Allah guides whom He wills.

Epistemology from an Islamic perspective is totally different from most Western epistemology and Western-minded people will likely attack it because the epistemologies are alien to each other. My thinking won't necessarily fit into someone else's preconceived framework (frequently based on the presuppositions of the Enlightenment).

I wrote a blog post discussing this further https://entranceofcave.blogspot.com/2018/07/where-is-your-proof.html

I have a completely different epistemology than others here likely do.

I am operating from an entirely different framework.

I doubt you are going to accept my starting premises, I doubt I will accept yours. Our fundamental assumptions I doubt are the same.

The person here thus far are more interested in "winning" than discussion.

For me, it is very simple. I believe what I believe. Others believe the same, others don't believe the same. I am interested in discussion sure but I cannot make anyone believe things. If there's a specific question people have, people can ask it.

It just depends on the answer to this question:

"Who is a philosopher?"

There is no God but Allah. Islam is the true religion, Allah is our Creator.

How anyone can look at creation and believe it all just came out of nowhere, randomly- baffles me.

People insult me for believing in God and act like I'm a neanderthal.... I am wary of posting here and think I'll be met with a bunch of belligerant liberals. But whether you agree with my views or not- I represent a viewpoint which might not be otherwise represented here.