Agreed. But certainly of self? Or just of thought?

I may only think I have though. Equally I may not exist but the thought itself does?

But how wouud me believing I ate ascertain if it's certainly me existing. The thought may not be my own?

Descartes didn't even prove the 'I' exists in the cogito?

But I could think I have eaten something and not have done. Equally, the 'I' that has eaten may be a character in a book and not real at all.

You say probably. What happens if that's not true?What if I'm not feeling anxious because I actually don't exist? There may be a way to think things without 'I' existing?

Anyone help me?

Anyone else have a thought on this?

So we can be certain of our existence as well as the exact content of our conscious thoughts at the time of their awareness.

So is that beyond what Descartes meant by I think therefore I am?

I am sitting here with the awareness typing this reply. That single thought is therefore certain in that it is happening?

How do you mean?

If I am aware of a thought, how is it possible that it could be different then my awareness of the thought itself?

So my thoughts, as I think them, are certian in what they are?

No room for evil demon to alter them if I am aware of them?

That's exactly what I mean.
If I have one thought in my head that I am conscious of, the context of that exact thought is certain.

So we can be certain of our existence (because of the thought) and certain of the thought itself?

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

If I am aware of a thought, that exact thought is certain. If it were not certain in exactly how it was occurring to me, then it's existence (and therefore mine) could be doubted?

But you wouldn't need to be certain for the thought to be certain. Just you thinking the thought is in itself certainty?

Anyone else have an opinion? I'm still confused!

Is the thought I am having right now certain in how it is?

So if I am consciously aware, this awareness would have to be exactly as it seems. Anything less and I'm not really aware.

But is it certain that the exact thought I am consciously aware right now is happening? Or could it be another thought entirely?

Sorry, do you agree with my op?

I mean, if I am consciously thinking right now that I am writing on this forum, that thought is certain?

I'm not sure haha!

If I am thinking a thought, that thought has to be certain.
if that thought could be doubted, then so could my existence.

Then this too represents certainty?

So if I'm aware of thoughts, then they must be occuring?

I'm still so confused lol.

I still interpret my thoughts as potentially not even occuring.

One thing I struggle with is the fact that reasons and evidence for a particular position. These reasons and evidence are subjective.

I could think of a thousand logical reasons why my thoughts are my own and are occurring. But what if this evidence is implanted, along with my false perception of thought?

So my thoughts are my thoughts?

That's confusing haha! What's the moral of the story?

So what appears to be my thoughts right now, are indeed my thoughts? No chance that a Demon making me interpret them wrong or misunderstand?

What if reason and evidence is mistook and false also? "

I'm happy with evidence and reasoning.

I just struggle with the concept that my thoughts may not be my thoughts. Not in the sense that they belong to someone else, but that what I appear to think, I'm in fact not.

So if it seems that I'm thinking something, I'm thinking it. End of?

I'm not. I'm not a frickin' smart ass, I'm genuinely interest in this.

Sorry if it's come across that way.

You've lost me, sorry.?

It would seem so, but I can't be certain that I am.

But what if we are all wrong and I am not?

Can we say that beyond doubt?

Without certainty, it would seem so

Nothing certain about me asking these questions, you mean?

Then, no, I'd agree, there is not.

Where are you going with this aha?

Yeah.

It scares me that my thoughts may not be my thoughts (Not that they are the thoughts of the Demon, but that they are different then what they 'appear' to be)

Huh?

I'm not sure. I figure likelihood on what I think and feel, I suppose.

I just think that:
- Good reasons/evidence are subjective to our thoughts and beliefs and therefore uncertain.

How can it be a good reason if, for all we know, it's as likely to be right as it is wrong?

As am I.

Water is as likely to kill me as you didn't watch Countdown.