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  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Terrapin Station


    Yeah.

    It scares me that my thoughts may not be my thoughts (Not that they are the thoughts of the Demon, but that they are different then what they 'appear' to be)
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Terrapin Station


    Huh?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Terrapin Station


    I'm not sure. I figure likelihood on what I think and feel, I suppose.

    I just think that:
    - Good reasons/evidence are subjective to our thoughts and beliefs and therefore uncertain.
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Terrapin Station


    How can it be a good reason if, for all we know, it's as likely to be right as it is wrong?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    As am I.

    Water is as likely to kill me as you didn't watch Countdown.
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    Brilliant.

    Dispute what I said as being wrong?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    If our beliefs are all wrong, then our actions could potentially be catastrophic.

    If it's not certain that water keeps me alive and I cannot be certain of my belief that it does, why drink it? It could quite easily kill me or others.

    If it appears that I believe this, I may in fact not and could, in the future, stop drinking water.
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    Why is it ridiculous?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    If my thoughts and beliefs are not certain, even with what I appear to feel and think, then that makes me feel uneasy.

    What if our loved ones are not real?
    What if our beliefs are so far false that we cause harm to others?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    But again, the actuality of sense and experience is debatable.
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    I'm new to all this...what's that haha?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    I'm not saying it affects your life.

    I'm saying knowledge cannot be gained without certainty.
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    But, the 'memories' of the show could be false also?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    I wouldn't want to live it that way, on the contrary.

    I'm asking if this 'good evidence' can be mistaken? I believe it can.
    There is as much chance that you watched Countdown, as you did not.
    The indicators that you had, cannot be certain. So if you 'feel' like you've watched it, this feeling may be mistaken - you may actually believe you missed the show?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    You say:
    Likewise, since I have good evidence that other people have brains, and similarly I have a brain, and because of the other anatomical equivalencies between me and other human beings, and because of their similar behavior, I can infer inductively by analogy that based on this evidence, they are conscious like me.

    This is what I mean, "good evidence".

    This good evidence comes from our beliefs, our thoughts, our feelings etc. What if these indicators are false? What if the good evidence from my 'belief' is false because it isn't actually my belief, rather that I was mistaken.

    Wouldn't knowledge therefore be impossible?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    How do I find this post? thank yuo
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    Can you please summarise?
  • Skepticism...any way around it?!
    ↪Noah Te Stroete


    Not trolling, simply unsure.

    How is certainty not required for knowledge?

    I believe car will hurt.
    That belief may not be my own (may not even be a belief,just me misunderstanding or making a mistake)
  • What can we be certain of? Not even our thoughts? Causing me anxiety.
    Thanks for replys.

    My question:

    If a car was heading towards me at great speed, I would, perhaps, conclude that this would kill me

    This conclusion could be built upon the premis of me believing fast cars kill if hitting a pedestrian.

    However even my reasoning for this (fast car = death) would not be certain. I could, in theory, be standing in front of the car believing there is no danger and a clever demon making it seem otherwise.

    Is this possible?
  • What can we be certain of? Not even our thoughts? Causing me anxiety.
    ↪Bitter Crank


    So how is it best to stop?
  • What can we be certain of? Not even our thoughts? Causing me anxiety.
    ↪VagabondSpectre


    But how can conclusions be stronger or weaker when we cannot know the strengths or weaknesses of the arguments?

    Strengths and weaknesses would also be uncertain?
  • Confused. "I think or I think that I think".
    ↪Terrapin Station


    Are 'you' and 'thinking' the same or different?
  • How can I enjoy things if I cannot be certain they are happening?
    ↪Terrapin Station


    Reasons why it is true:
    It may appear that it is happening.

    Reaaons why it is false:
    It may appear that it is not happening.

    If I can't be certain that it is happening, both reasons are equally valid? I may or may not be viewing the sunset. My thoughts may be false and I'm not even viewing it.

    This is so confusing, sorry
  • How can I enjoy things if I cannot be certain they are happening?
    ↪Terrapin Station


    But with certainty things would be known.

    Without this, in my mind, there is as much chance the sunset is happening as there is that it is not.

    Yes, there are reasons which our senses may suggest it is happening. But these could be false.

    How can I enjoy a view that I cannot even confirm thatvI think I am watching?
  • How can I enjoy things if I cannot be certain they are happening?
    ↪Terrapin Station


    But the good reason (observing) is not certain either. It just appears to be a good reason.

    What is there to say that I'm not simply seeing something entirely different?
  • How can I enjoy things if I cannot be certain they are happening?
    ↪Terrapin Station


    Because without certainty, whats to say it's actually happening?

    Surely there would be as much chance that it is not?
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