• Knowing humans too well. Self-delusion or unavoidable fact?
    What I've learned in my own experience is that the more philosophical one is, the more one tends to need a partnership with someone who has both feet firmly on the ground of the mundane real world.Jake

    Same here.
    My longest relationship was with such a person.

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    French actress Arielle Dombasle and French philosopher, writer and film director Bernard-Henri Levy sit on a sofa, in the living room of their residence in Mexico.
  • Knowing humans too well. Self-delusion or unavoidable fact?
    The best I can suggest here, not that I'm at all expert at it, is a sense of compassion. We're all basically 4 year olds trapped for decades in these adult bodies. And just as I'm bored with you, you are bored with me, we're all in this together.

    The other solution is the realization that human beings need not be the center of our universe. There's a lot more than us going on in the world. As example, one of my best friends is a retarded squirrel who has been living in a cage at the top of the stairs here for years now. He has not the slightest idea what's going on, but he's sweet, pure, innocent, uncontaminated by the world, which makes him more interesting than most people.

    But anyway, we're all going to be dead so much sooner than we realize, so it's probably wise to just go with the flow with a sense of humor, and not worry about any of this too much. It'll all be over before we know it.
    Jake

    That's where I have great difficulties.
    I would like to enjoy my remaining time on earth as much as possible but it's way too hard to ignore the true reality of it all. Becoming some kind of hermit would solve the problem but unfortunately I need to have human beings around me even if I'm utterly tired of them and their nonsense.
  • Knowing humans too well. Self-delusion or unavoidable fact?
    Well why think it's an illusion? The way I see it you're justifying something that seems to be sense as something else to adhere to your belief that we're unique.Emmanuele

    My personal observations convinced me that people aren't unique and even that free will is kind of a myth. As it's quite a depressing conclusion, and as I despise blind beliefs, I wanted to make sure that I hadn't overlook anything that might prove the contrary.

    Have you ever heard of game theory? Game theory involves two intelligent players going by their will to have the best of their own position. The outcome always involves each of the players going by their own best interests. Sounds familiar? It's every day.Emmanuele

    No but I've understood very early that everything people do is for their own interest. Even the most compassionate people act this way in order to fulfill their need to do good.
  • Knowing humans too well. Self-delusion or unavoidable fact?

    There are also what are called “industrial psychopaths”.
    I don't want to drive the discussion to a very different topic but, by this logic, if you look close enough at every single human being, you'll find a certain level of psychopathy. I've met people with mental illness that I'd trust more than my banker if you know what I mean.
  • Knowing humans too well. Self-delusion or unavoidable fact?

    Nietzsche is the first guy that comes to my mind.
    Can you share any of his contribution related to this topic?
  • Knowing humans too well. Self-delusion or unavoidable fact?

    I knew a guy in high school who said that people were so predictable. He was a manipulative psychopath.
    Obviously, someone who has a deep understanding of the human behavior has the ability to use this knowledge to his advantage. Some choose not to do it other choose to ... which makes them become unfairly labeled as psychopaths I suppose. ( I assume you know the real meaning of the word "psychopath" which suppose violent/abusive behavior).
  • Knowing humans too well. Self-delusion or unavoidable fact?

    but how do you account for creativity? — Wallows

    As a professional designer myself, I view creativity as a way to build many different things.

    You could obviously apply creativity to your everyday's behavior but then you'd just end up being an eccentric ... which aren't well accepted by the human society because of the need for predictability I've described above.

    Also, creativity is mostly based on others work.
    So even a creative behavior would barely surprise me as it would be a patchwork of existing ones.