Too busy accomodating Joyce as he backstabs his farmer constituency.

Maybe, maybe not. Not being a speculative dogmatist about the issue, I'm not particularly keen to rule one way or the other in advance of cases to discuss. What I do know is that philosophy has certainly provided very powerful lenses for how people go about framing issues - even if in a downstream, altered manner - and will continue to do so. The question is whether one contributes to that, and how.

Then we are agree that the idea that the idea that 'analytic philosophy might provide a more solid basis for social theory' on the basis of the fantasy that it does not make shite up (lol) is just a fantasy? Especially given that 'social theory' in AP is more or less utterly toothless and has been since its inception?

I'm not fond of wantonly calling people racists either, especially on the basis of shitty identity politics, but your carrying the flag for people who, having been called racist, simply grasp the nettle, is utterly stupid.

Australia is certainly one of the most racist places on Earth, and my ability to live here is enabled and fostered by that racism, sure. Am I a racist? I like to think not, but I definitely benefit from Australia's instituional racism, as do the majority of people who live here. Which speaks to the point - that widespread, systemic racism can very easily exist without the express help of avowed racists. It would still be better if Australia were rid of it though. But of course, anyone who recognizes this and then simply claims the mantle of racist ought to be treated like the piece of shit they are, rather than sympathised with, as you are wont to do.

Analytic philosophy marked the end of speculative philosophy; the demise of making shite up. — Banno

Oh sweet summer child. There are none more deluded than those who think their chosen camping spot in philosophy is not just shite made up. Probably the biggest piece of made up shite of all it.

Those who complain about Chinese expansionism but have nothing to say about America's ringing of the Earth with military bases and material support for dozens of genocidal regimes around the world cede their right to talk about anything at all, ever, for all time.

And if you don't judge people as individuals but members of their race who then bare a collective responsibility, aren't you the racist here? A shit person at every point? — ssu

Would love to know what went through your head when you imagined that this is in any way a response to what I said.

If you say over and over to people that they are fucking racists, some will then say "Ok, then I'm a fucking racists, so fuck you". Will that really help? — ssu

Well yes because now you know who are racists. Also if being called a racist epiphanies you in to accepting the label, then you are a shit person at every point. But good to see you are concerned for them.

But in the absence of that, it doesn't come naturally, I don't think. — Wayfarer

Then you have a low opinion of humanity. Which, considering religion dehumanizes at every point, is unsurprising. This is of course, built into religious strategy - paint the human as a wretched, fallen creature, all the more in need of saving. It's cult mechanics, employed by abusers everywhere to foster a sense of dependency - writ large by religion.

Doesn’t really have any bearing on my post, though. — Wayfarer

Sure it does. The reality of religion - as opposed to the idealized self-image, which pales before it - is that is has left its mark on the world in trains of blood, and in this one, not at all isolated case, hundreds of dead children.

As far as life being an absurdity without religion, I find the opposite to the case - that religion appeals to the fascist in all of us, who wants to be told what to do by way of some prior cosmic ordering. It is a trembling before freedom, rooted in fear, expressed in the arrogation of tribal campfire stories to cosmic proportion. There are few things more stifling and oppressive. It is no accident that religious history is just another name for a history of oppression and institutional murder and avarice, for millennia. To look at the utter insanity wrought by religious belief and to see in it 'love' is to have have engaged in the highest form of self delusion. It is no accident the most revered Christian theorist of love was the same one to have so vigorously pursued a campaign of persecution against those who dared to deviate from his teachings - Augustine and the Donatists, to wit.

Agapé.

On topic, I'd never really considered the fact that the whole notion of 'no atheists in foxholes' is a comment less about atheists than it is about religion - the fact that religion is what one turns to when one is in a desperate, base situation of immanent death.

So much democracy, it hurts.

That all said one only has to look at what is happening right now to the Apple Daily newspaper (nothing to do with Apple the tech company) in Hong Kong to see how hilarious the article in the OP is. In the West, they've figured out a much better model. Instead of the government shutting down or controlling the press, they give them directly to billionaires, who spew their propaganda without any state intervention whatsoever.

I actually appreciate that this comes off so transparently as propaganda. It's far better than what comes out of 'the West' when they self-congratulate themselves on being democracies. The latter actually take themselves seriously.

Are you saying I don't give off a hugs and kisses vibe?

Banno's real name is simply 'Ban'. He was born only to ban people on internet forums. Which apparently he can do in the absence of mod powers. But, because he is Australian, where we add an 'o' to the end of every name, he is now Banno. True story.

Nothing has changed in the US, except perhaps for the worse.



The US is simply a decaying state. As its social conditions further deteriorate, the only actionable moves available to it will be to further increase police and containment powers to nip at symptoms while the core rots. Chauvin is simply an exercise in the spectacle of performance politics, nothing more - even if he deserves every last minute in the misery of the gulag system that they will keep him in.

This thread is titled as it is for an excellent reason.

Back in the day we used to call this class consciousness. Now I guess it's got to be translated into some ephemeral existential stuff to gain traction.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57562685

Australia's government has lashed out after a United Nations report claimed it had not done enough to protect the Great Barrier Reef from climate change.UN body Unesco said the reef should be put on a list of World Heritage Sites that are "in danger" due to the damage it has suffered. Key targets on improving water quality had not been met, it said.

Government who has done all it can to ensure the destruction of the reef is mad that they are being called out for having done all it can to ensure the destruction of the reef.

Schuringa sees the challenges - or failing - of analytic philosophy as developing from its fained apolitical stance; the challenges come from those ignored political stances; feminism, critical race theory, decolonisation and so on. — Banno

I think what is called analytic philosophy thrives because it ignores these issues. Or at least, when it does deign to treat them, it does so in such a sanitized way that it may as well be altogether useless. The inoffensiveness of analytic philosophy when it comes to anything political is what makes it palatable to institutional power. So Schuringa has a point but the conclusion to draw is the exact opposite - APs 'never ending death' will be prolonged so long as it does not substantively address these issues.

The article I linked deals primarily with Miranda Fricker's Epistemic Injustice (a supposedly premier piece of 'analytic feminism', here critiqued by Alice Cracy, a first-rate Wittgenstein scholar) but these kinds of issues were practically identical to the ones surrounding Rawls' Theory of Justice - a similarly defanged piece of liberal feel good sanctimony - nearly 50 years ago. I have no expectation that AP will ever change on this score. Its political inanity is a feature, not a bug.

The OP does not contain an argument, only an assertion. It doesn't even rise to the level of Stove's Gem, which would in fact be more welcome than what is currently on offer, which is nothing.

They take the Australian public for a bunch of fools and... they're probably right. You'll never meet a more politically apathetic bunch of wankers than Australians I swear.

Having not read a single thing @Iris0 wrote in the sex thread, but having come across her posts elsewhere, the banning was well justified. If you can't be bothered to minimally punctuate your posts, you can stick to facebook or social media.

Second, the consternation over having a banning thread is bizarre. This thread exists for transparency - the other option being that we ban people entirely on the sly, and/or have discussions of banning pollute threads which should be on topic.

The ethnic cleansing continues apace:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210609-1500-palestinian-home-face-demolition-in-jerusalems-silwan/

The Israeli-run Jerusalem Municipality on Monday issued demolition orders to dozens of Palestinian families of Al-Bustan suburb in occupied East Jerusalem's Silwan neighbourhood.

The demolition notice stated: "We wanted to inform you that we will carry out the demolition according to the court's decision. To minimise damages, you must leave the home without people and items until 21 days after receiving this letter. The municipality is not responsible for property damage if the house is not evacuated as mentioned."

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/37-palestinian-children-injured-and-arrested-east-jerusalem

More Israeli terrorist action on children

Over the past two days, 29 Palestinian children were injured in East Jerusalem including in the Old City and the Sheikh Jarrah neighbourhood. Eight Palestinian children were meanwhile arrested. “A one-year old toddler was among those injured. Some children were taken for treatment at hospitals with injuries in the head and the spine. “This comes amid reports that nearly 300 people were injured in the area.“UNICEF received reports that ambulances were restricted from arriving on location to assist and evacuate the injured and that an on-site clinic was reportedly hit and searched.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/04/11/palestine-israeli-police-abusing-detained-children

Israeli security forces are abusing Palestinian children detained in the West Bank. The number of Palestinian children arrested by Israeli forces has more than doubled since October 2015. Interviews with children who have been detained, video footage, and reports from lawyers reveal that Israeli security forces are using unnecessary force in arresting and detaining children, in some cases beating them, and holding them in unsafe and abusive conditions. “Palestinian children are treated in ways that would terrify and traumatize an adult,” said Sari Bashi, Israel and Palestine country director. “Screams, threats, and beatings are no way for the police to treat a child or to get accurate information from them.”

Probably the most 'landmark' books for me:

William Connolly - Identity\Difference
Slavoj Zizek - The Sublime Object of Ideology
Maurice Merleau-Ponty - Phenomenology of Perception
Gilles Deleuze - Difference and Repetition
Ludwig Wittgenstein - Philosophical Investigations
Hannah Arendt - The Human Condition
Ellen Meiksins Wood - The Origin of Capitalism

No worries. I'll leave you to your fantasies while Israel continues to murder Palestinians and steal their land.

You don't care what happens next. — Foghorn

Yeah, I'm not the one justifying actually existing genocide with speculative futures.

Whatever does, it cannot excuse or justify present Israeli crimes, so is irrelevant to the point.

the logical outcome of your plan — Foghorn

Is for Israel to stop committing genocide.

For which you will excuse with imagined threats and speculative 'solutions' like 'Israelis leaving' and 'nuking Israel'. Utter batshit insanity.

Yeah because apparently it's easier for you to imagine someone detonating a nuke in Israel as a solution to its settler colonialism than for Israel to simply stop committing genocide. That's you being pragmatic. Fucking joke.

What may work is that sooner or later somebody figures out how to smuggle a WMD in to Israel. It's tragic that it has to come to that, but that could be the game changer. At that point, my plan may work. — Foghorn

What the fuck is wrong with you.

This entire rambling warble can be summed up by you saying that Israel should not stop being an apartheid state which continues to ethnic cleanse Palestinians because it would otherwise end up with a Palestinian state, and that Arabs are very scary so that can't happen. Then, having ruled out that Israel can actually do anything about its 40 year genocide of Palestinians other than to keep going, you propose that the only way forward is the fantasy idea that they should pack up and leave, even while you acknowledge the utter stupidity of this solution. Or boiled down further: so long as Israel remains where it is, it gets a free pass for ethnic cleansing from you, unless Israelis decide to vacate the premises, in which case hunky dory, even though the latter is never, ever going to happen. Does that about sum it up?

I wonder if he talks about the holocaust famine he induced in India.

The US is an enforcer state for capitalist power. Biden is just head capo right now.

Re: Morrison's standing at the G7:

This is the diplomatic treatment befitting of Australia’s true global status as embarrassing, unhelpful coal-guzzling climate pariah; a stupid, irresponsible outlier in a shifting world; an unambitious island nation determined to squander the very real opportunity to prosper in the inevitable renewable energy age. No matter how the Australian Government spins this, how breathlessly their propagandists in the press parrot their position, or how effectively our fossil fuel oligarchs lobby against it, this year’s G7 marked the beginning of the end of the age of coal.

All member nations stated that government support for the industry would cease, and re-affirmed pledges to hit net zero emissions by 2050. Along the way, the UK has set a 78% reduction target by 2035 (from 1990 levels), while the USA is aiming for a 50-52% cut by 2030 (from a different 2005 benchmark). Australia’s current target of a 26%-28% reduction in emissions by 2030 sets us at the back of the developed world’s contribution to this global crisis, and our current trajectory has us reaching net zero emissions by 2167. By then, we’ll hopefully be vaccinated against coronavirus.

https://theshot.net.au/general-news/scott-morrisons-australia-is-fucking-embarrassing/

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-nightmare-looms-even-as-frydenberg-prepares-his-election-pitch-20210618-p582ce.html?btis

Seventy per cent of all housing wealth in Australia is now concentrated in the hands of the over 65s. [Approx 16% of the population - SX]

The rise in house prices in the biggest cities is simply ridiculous. Take the price of the median Melbourne house. It hit $908,000 last month, according to CoreLogic data. To reach that level, it increased by almost $800 each day, every day, of the year to date. Or Sydney. The price of the median Sydney house reached $1.186 million last month. Which represented a daily price rise of $1220 for every day of the year to that point. So if you were aged 21 to 35, and earning the national average income for people in your age group – $58,635 a year – the price of a Sydney house was rising every day by an amount equal to one week’s wages. The message to average Australians is to despair of being able to do what your parents very likely did – buy a home. What a brilliant national achievement. We’ve priced the next generation out of the ability to buy a home. We have only 26 million people inhabiting an entire continent but cannot supply affordable housing in our major cities.

May this old man rot in hell.