It's sufficient to answer that with "That's how the word is commonly used." — Mongrel
If you want to stipulate a special definition, you can invite people to accept it. You'd probably want to build an attractive (or at least intriguing) thesis around that jargon. So it would start something like: "I posit that mountains are constructions." You wait for the audience to register their surprise and then you go to about explaining how that could be. — Mongrel
what does it mean to say a distinction is "purpose-relative"? How does that work? — Srap Tasmaner
To which a perfectly intelligible reply would be, "The university relocated to Inverness during the war, and never came back", or even, "the university is on vacation at the moment." — unenlightened
It's not enough simply to declare that I am wrong, you need to present some argument or explanation. — unenlightened
Oh, to maximise agreement, principle of charity, because meaning is use. What a fucking idiotic question. — unenlightened
I think that simply is how it is generally used, and yes, we ought to use it that way too. — unenlightened
It is you that wants to suggest that it ought to mean sedimentary rocks as well as things we make with them.
And therefore Ryle's exemplar of a category error turns out not to be one, and the distinction between the inanimate construction of the university buildings and the social construct of the university itself is a valid one. — unenlightened
Yes, I think it is reasonable to deny non-life a centre, where a centre is a point of view. The distinction between life and non-life I would say is indispensable to almost any kind of sensible talk about the world. — unenlightened
One does, however conjunct the anthill and the ant colony, or the university and it's facilities, or more generally, house and home. — unenlightened
I think it is reasonable to limit 'construct' to the productions of life-forms. Thus a mountain is a formation, but an ant-hill is a construct. — unenlightened
I'm still going to want to distinguish between construction processes dependent upon organisms acting within an environment and constructions processes that require only natural forces. — Srap Tasmaner
But then we still have the question of how to distinguish what is (real and) constructed from what is (real and) not constructed. — Srap Tasmaner
This is the deconstruction as I understand it, that we are conditioned by our social constructs to the extent that we cannot distinguish the real from the conditioned. And to pretend that we can - which is all of our discussion - is hubristic overreach. — unenlightened
I don't know, maybe I'm too stupid. But the only way I can reconcile them is to conclude that everything is a fabrication and we are forever lost in the funhouse with no possibility of escape. At which point further discussion is reduced to a pleasant or unpleasant pastime with no other value. — unenlightened
Are they? Human nature is claimed as a construct, but it is one founded on something real that is elaborated. Human rights might have the same foundation. I'm not sure that fabrications are ever 'total'. — unenlightened
But the real effects of total bullshit are not at all in dispute. Still it would be nice if we could stop lynching people for bullshit reasons, and so it would be handy if we could separate to some extent the stuff we make up from the stuff we don't. — unenlightened
Someone needs to do a Foucault on medicine — unenlightened
If you don't know what it means for anything to have more or less reality than anything else, than you should probably stop using the words "real" or "reality" since you have no definition for them and you refuse the standard ones: — Thanatos Sand
Some concepts are constructed - 'property' for example - and others are... what? Found, I suppose. 'Gravity' kind of imposes itself on us as inescapable, whether one has the concept or not. — unenlightened
This is sounding very 'Vienna School'. If by 'sensibly' you mean something like 'in terms of the senses' then there's your category error right there; theologists, mystics and religionists purport to be talking about something suprasensible. What kinds of "answers' to questions concerning the suprasensible would you expect. — John
The question about the meaning of life ('meaning', that is, taken in an overarching sense) is coherent if your premise is that life has an "author" who intended it to have such a meaning, and the question is incoherent otherwise. — John
Overarching meaning that is understood to be given by a transcendent reality. Surely you knew this already? Are you that unfamiliar with religions and theologies?
It's true that the idea might be wrong. There might be no such reality. How are you going to demonstrate that, though? I think the problem is that you simply have no feel for and thus do not understand the experiences, presumptions and mindsets of people who affirm such things. — John
I've been wondering if maybe instead of talking as if you choose from preexisting domains, the domain is something you construct with the question. Theoretical entities are in an obvious sense constructed, and maybe these are the members of the domain you construct. Asking a question would be the first step in building, rather than finding, an answer. — Srap Tasmaner
So your favoured principle is "Guilty until proven innocent"? — John
