Yep. Pretty spot on there eh. If I want to push the evil of smoking I make sure I attribute any lung cancer, heart attack, or stroke deaths as having smoking as a contributing factor. I exclude other factors like genetics and activity levels, unless I can spin them to support my cause. Currently Covid is the push. If you have any underlying condition that is even slightly impacted by Covid, which, if you are positive for Covid, we say will impact your conditions, then if/when you die from one of your conditions, Covid clearly contributed to your death, since your were not dead before you caught Covid, so it's a "Covid related Death". If you crash your car while infected I could probably spin that as "Covid related" because maybe your vision was blurry from covid, or you sneezed and lost control, or your were extra drowsy (Covid induced fatigue). It's that easy. Reassurring eh. — Book273

Perfectly stated! Unbelievale how convincing popular opinion is for most people. And, yes, it is quite reassuring, it is reassuring that I will never be disappointed at how disappointing the mindless masses are.

Funeral home in my small town has over two dozen bodies waiting to be buried; funerals must be placed on a waiting list. — Todd Martin

I have a friend that works as a mortician. She's been on unemployment for a year. Ever think that the corpses aren't being processed at the normal rate because the staff has been reduced beneath capacity?

Of course you haven't considered that. You are too busy with pet names, and worrying about me calling a hypothetical woman a cunt. It's a tragedy, really.

You know, preparing a body is not like baking cookies. It takes a certain acumen

It is obvious to me now, sir, judging by the crassness and vulgarity of your response to my last post, that you are not only far from being a philosopher or a gentleman, you are not even a decent human being. — Todd Martin

:cry:

How about the stats that there is a shortage of ICU beds in states like California? — ssu

Well, California is a state of whining pussies and hypochondriacs. People there will go to the ER for the most minor inflictions. So I have no trouble believing there is a shortage of beds. I wonder how many people will die in those beds. I wonder, how many of the patients in those beds will die from noncovid morbidities. I wonder how many of those noncovid morbidities will be attributed to covid.

Do you wonder? Or do you just believe what you're told?

Or the stats that funeral homes and morgues are full thanks to Covid-19?

Those also bullshit stats / fake news, Merky? — ssu

The funeral homes and morgues are full? Is that a fact?

I suppose I was unaware because I didn't see dead bodies piling up in the streets.

I have a friend that works as a mortician. She's been on unemployment for a year. Ever think that the corpses aren't being processed at the normal rate because the staff has been reduced beneath capacity?

Of course you haven't considered that. It's a tragedy, really.

You know, preparing a body is not like baking cookies. It takes a certain acumen

I wonder where the excess corpses are being held. Is there any information on that?

(Acela Truck Co. has already sold hundreds of pull-behind refrigerated morgues created in response to the Covid-19 pandemic. Yet is that for a need or just a consequence of the covid-scare?) — ssu

Im sure they sold the trucks. I wonder how many of those trucks are maxed out, or if there are a bunch of empty trucks just sitting there.

But it sounds like they are making a killing. At least someone is benefiting from the covid frenzy.

Yeah. Statistics isn't your thing, obviously. — ssu

Definitely not covid statistics...its complete bullshit

People are getting tired of it. Especially Americans. Hardly noticing that they lose daily same number of people as in 9/11 in the pandemic. — ssu

I don't trust the statistics at all, there is absolutely no way that covid is as fatal as it is being portrayed.

I have a friend whose wife just died of pneumonia.
Her death was officially attributed to covid. I know someone else that died of heart failure whose death was also attributed to covid.

What the fuck is that about? It's about inflating numbers to support the pandemic narrative. Using dead people to spread propaganda, that is some crooked, disrespectful shit.

Lol. Great post. Sounds like a beautiful place with beautiful people. But, that old woman with the mask should not be leaving her home if she is scared of catching the covid. What a selfish cunt, inconveniencing everyone because she's a cowardly bitch.

This thread is getting weird. — frank

The effects of the virus are unpredictable.

Since they are proposing "several" ways which vaccines "might" cause such a thing , I conclude that there is no evidence of any single one way, and the author is clutching at straws.

Book273's "explanation", if you want to call it that, was sorely lacking. Do you think you can do better? And please don't give me several ways that this might happen. I want an explanation of how it does happen. — Metaphysician Undercover

Fair enough. I feel the same way about all this unsubstantiated propaganda about covid. A bunch of so called experts pulling lame explanations about the dangers of covid out of their asses, and feeding that shit to the public. Mangia mangia!!!

And I don't know if it was debunked (you'll have to provide the data if we are going to accept that assertion), all I know is that correlations have been drawn. Personally, I don't care either way, so I can only promise to do worse.

Oh, that and the fact that the lizard-men have put nanomachines into it to control the population (we're not sure why yet). People react like a bugger to nanomachines - it's the main reason they haven't done it earlier. — Isaac

If we could enable the handicapped to control their prothstetics by will, it would be amazing. But this is veering into transhumanism, and for the simple folk, the implications of implementing such technology (e.g. cyberization of the human brain) is rather stupendous.

Getting that into the body is what the pharmaceutical concoction does, and it's here most problems are going to arise. — Isaac

Sodomy, eh?

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck — frank

You are awesome!

I like that theory, but personally, I'm running with the zombie theory. The best part about covid hysteria, is that now, the wildest and most inane speculations are completely warranted.

... haven't explained how use of the vaccine could suddenly cause an autoimmune disease. There's no reason to believe that the body would suddenly lose the ability to identify the "other". By your logic, me catching the common cold might cause my body to suddenly lose the ability to identify the "other", and trigger an autoimmune disease. — Metaphysician Undercover

I believe explained, just not in great length. Perhaps its brevity is insufficient for you, but it is still an explanation. But seriously, you haven't heard about the correlation between vaccines and autoimmune diseases?

Several biological mechanisms have been proposed to explain how vaccines might cause allergic or autoimmune diseases. For example, allergic diseases might be caused by prevention of early childhood infections (the “hygiene hypothesis”), causing a prolongation of immunoglobulin E-promoting T-helper cell type 2-type responses. — Paul A. Offit and Charles J. Hackett Pediatrics March 2003, 111 (3) 653-659

There are millions of healthy people wearing masks, not because they are sick and risk infecting someone, but because they are ignorant of whether they are sick or not. Ignorance, not illness. Conformity, not heroism. — NOS4A2

Conformity absolutely. Unfortunately conformity isn't for me, as I subscribe to the law of contrary public opinion.

The inconsistency in it all is baffling. There are infinite things that we are ignorant of, which could potentially pose a mortal danger to humanity at large. I wish I could give you examples, but as I said, we are ignorant of these things. We should have think tanks working round the clock, speculating on possible dangers, and devising solutions and protocols to counteract them. I'm really tired of the same lame old bullshit about how covid is a unique case because it is contagious.

S.I.R.S: Systemic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. For those who don't know. Look it up, apply it globally, and good luck. — Book273

Exactly. It would almost be scary if it weren't so interesting to observe happening right before my eyes. And, I'm really excited about the whales succeeding us.

I'm getting vaccinated because I have a functioning brain. — Baden

Do you have a brain? Has your skull ever been opened so you could verify it? We need some hard evidence here.

Your ideas savor too much of extremity without proportion, destructive of meaning and of freedom. — tim wood

I, like to proceed dialectically, to do stress tests on ideas to see what results (like Nietzsche's twilight of idols, or a particle collider).

Very postmodern, eh?

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Permit me to retract my allegory, I am not committed to it enough to sustain any interest in it. Nevertheless, people are self-imprisoned, in the psychological sense, and covid hysteria is just more fodder to heap on the pile of evidence.

why are you wearing a mask when you go out in public merely because it is mandated, when, as everybody can see, there is no enforcement of these mandates? — Todd Martin

What do you mean "no enforcement"? You cannot enter a grocery store, post office, bank, restaurant, courthouse, trainstation, &c., &c. without a mask. Not only are there average civilians surveilling and informing on noncompliers, but security guards are being hired to enforce this measure at the entrance of every public place. This is an early precursor of the surveillance state.

But perhaps it's not being enforced in your part of the world, if so I should definitely move there.

Truth is, it was going to spread like this no matter what we did. — Book273

People just don't get it, you know? We are only slowing it down. There is no stopping it. No matter what precautions we take, covid will run its course. I loathe the conceit of the present age: to think we can prevent sickness (and on a mass scale), is utterly retarded, laughable at best.

When a person chooses fear, he forfeits all other choice, and nothing is more pathetic than a life spent in fear.

what about you? And why?

Are you going to get vaccinated? — frank

Only if they pay me. I will be taking a capitalist approach with the vaccine.

Yes. Life is hard for the protestor. Lenin had to ride a train all the way across europe to get to Russia in time to kill the czar. They say he was in bad mood when he got home. — frank

Great anecdote! :rofl:

really it's flattering :smile:

Thanks. I totally dig what you have to say. Keep it up, but don't get banned. :cool:

In other words, isn’t it true that your image of the “cage”, of a place where all of us are confined from birth until self-liberated, describes a universal condition for all individuals? Why would you suggest then that it applies only to you? What you do by describing it to us shows both that you believe it is universal, and that we ought to understand it. — Todd Martin

I don't care for other words. Please let me give you my words directly. The psychological condition of incarceration only applies to me because I am the only one who can free himself. I cannot free you, only you can free you.

So as much as it applies to my particular situation, it is a universal condition for all. But what is of utmost importance is the particular circumstance for the individual within the constraints of the universal. The universal becomes something that applies to all, universally, but to me, it applies in a very particular relation, one of subjectivity. It requires a particular solution to its particular problem.

If you know what "me" means, you can understand what I'm saying.

we're still talking about psychological freedom...right?

Secondly, you say, “I have no desire to recruit others into my morality...So when I express my ethical opinion...I am not trying to convince you of anything, rather, I am just expressing my opinion.” But it is difficult for us to believe that a human being would exert such time and energy in something that he would not hope to reap some reward from. Furthermore, it is clear that you possess a certain weltanschauung that you believe is true, concerning the “cage”, and of whose veracity you would like to convince others...why else would you spend so much time describing it to us? — Todd Martin

Because I'm bored. But more likely, because I know what's up, much better than you. (Like ). I come to deliver the message of insanity to the wise ones that know all, and hope that all the unknowing ones might awaken....

Does 1+1 not equal 2? In other words, is there nothing obviously true to all ppl that may be inferred, and if not, where may we draw a line, and by what rationale, b/w what is obviously true, and what is debatably so? — Todd Martin

Well, the notion of absolute truth is a bit like the idea of God. It requires a commitment from the believer. Beyond that, I can see no undeniable evidence of methodologies which bring us all closer to reality in itself. And until then, I see very few refusing to accept the refuse. I call LAME!!!!!

You say, “psychological freedom at its maximum, is never troubled by external content of any kind, whether evidential or soundly inferential”. Does therefore the apparent fact that “the sun also rises” every morning, inferred from it having so risen from antiquity, constrain in no way the free soul to accept this as a fact shared with all other souls, whether free or enslaved, that have ever existed? — Todd Martin

Awesome! I love when someone wants to philosophize for real.

I see no difference in the constraining power of either analytic or synthetic reasoning, beyond the fact that one is expansive, and the other eliminative.

So to answer your question, the free soul is in no way constrained to behave a particular way, although he would be most benefited to behave according to the rules of the game to which he is subject to, whether he is GOD incarnate, or not.

M9re...

Well that will save us for sure!

Do a real study, send me results. I want to be given actual data supporting your position. — Book273

I got results and data supporting my position, and you are welcome to them anytime.

Another child controlled by a meme. This ain't about medical science but about sociology.
11h — apokrisis

Says the god of the dialectical method: A P O K R I S is?

You can get it multiple times. I don't think that happens very often tho. — frank

Well that's disappointing. So much for my narrative. Darn it, I've been preparing it for months now.

Nothing here; no one home. — tim wood

HELLO!!!! Who's out there?!?!?!

(My eyes aren't that useful anymore)

OK. I was afraid it was something as trivial as that. Breathing proves we're alive too. And everyone does it, so neither are a privilege but we all rather breathe freely than cough.

You're privileged when you have a right or some other benefit that most others don't. — Benkei

Calm down!!! Don't be afraid of triviality, it will kill your sense of humor, it is an essential component of comedy. I coughy freely, and I consider that a privilege too. Don't take the notion of privilege too seriously, most privileges are completely trivial.

In the face of a virus we don't understand, with unknown long-term effects, and a mortality and contagion rate apparently much higher than the seasonal flu, I would say it's only a reasonable precaution to ask (or even to mandate if there is a lot of virus in the community) people to wear masks. — Janus

I can only respectfully disagree. For me, and I mean no disrespect to anyone, but for me, wearing masks as prescribed is a little too close to wearing tinfoil hats to block out all the radiowaves penetrating your skull.

In fact, I can make a compelling argument for why governments should mandate tinfoil hats. Want to hear? Ok.

The brain damage caused by radio waves can cause psychosis and violent tendencies, in individuals. And it may negatively affect the mental development of children.

Of course, I don't believe any of this, but it is a bit comical for me, and it feels a lot like the rationale for mask wearing, which I also do not believe.

You don't have to have already had an accident to be required to wear a seat-belt, or indeed obey the general road rules. Personally I think it has nothing to do with cowardice, just regard for your own life and the lives of others and the courage to forebear a little inconvenience. — Janus

I think it is a mob frenzy happening, and one of its active ingredients is fear. It is a fear of something highly unknown, compounded by a couple other existential unknowns. I can't willingly accept such a pervasive and irritating mandate based on such shoddy evidence. After all, minor inconvienice is tyranny's abusive stepfather.

Yours Always, Merkwurdy

"I reget that I can only get covid-19 once a year.". -- devoted human rights activist — frank

If only we could get it multiple times, then I could really demonstrate!

For someone with so much supposed psychological freedom, you seem rather constrained by your own cultural trope.

But I guess whatever gets you a nanosecond of attention. — apokrisis

I never claimed to have so much psychological freedom. I do claim to have a little.

But I'll take the attention anyway :kiss:

Btw, it is "determined by it's own content", it is NOT "it's own content". What are you, a solipsist?