• Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    It is painfully obvious @JeffJo that you have not read the thread and as a result don't understand where these arguments are coming from.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    There was an entire section of the thread in which we debated the role of Y. Clearly @JeffJo you didn't read it.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    ↪JeffJo


    I have already comment on all of this, read the thread. Don't just lie about reading it, actually read it.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    Notice how I have yet to post another thread. I have another problem lined up, but with the mods hacking out relevant content and the general performance of some people in this thread, I just am not sure anymore that these forums are the right place. The solution to this problem is so simple and straight forward and the fact that so many have missed it is discouraging.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    I don't think @JeffJo even understands the other argument.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    ↪JeffJo
    I specifically said that my simulation is not about finding expected results as that entire argument is flawed. Which I pointed out in a different post, that you likely didn't read. Also, I have said a number of times why the knowledge of Y is not relevant, but I am assuming you have not read that either.
  • Homosexuality
    ↪apokrisis
    There is a recognized difference between gender and sex, one is biological while the other is considered learned. I have yet to see evidence that suggest sexual preferences are determined by gender role and my own experiences suggest to me otherwise. Personally, I have little doubt sexual orientation is influenced by genetic predisposition, and your developing sub-cultures already existed; they are simply being defined now. The idea of a binary human sexuality was always an incredibly stupid take and it was never actually true. The truth is that most of our common understandings of human sexuality has been deeply flawed by the over hanging prejudice.

    Here is an article you might find interesting:

    https://www.gla.ac.uk/0t4/crcees/files/summerschool/readings/WestZimmerman_1987_DoingGender.pdf
  • Homosexuality
    ↪Akanthinos
    What? I never said any such thing, also you misspelled my name.
  • Homosexuality
    Doesn't mean the argument is any less faulty. — Akanthinos

    Well, I do also have the benefit of personal experience being gay in our society, and I have also spent an incredible amount of time studying and discussing the nature of homosexuality, with many people, both professional and not.
  • Homosexuality
    That's doing exactly the same thing as Wellwisher, just inverted. — Akanthinos

    That was the point. To turn the argument back onto itself.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    Why would you even edit out the fact that I think my solution is correct? Am I not allowed to have that view?
  • Homosexuality
    There are probably a lot more gay people than people realize, and by oppressing them society is not letting them fill their evolutionary roles.
  • Homosexuality
    I mean, you say you are homosexual, that you have lived horrible abuse and discrimination in your life because of it — Akanthinos

    This needs to be cleared up here. I have never lived horrible abuse and discrimination due to my sexual preference. That came from the bigotry and hate of others.
  • Homosexuality
    ↪Akanthinos


    That is because it is homophobia that is contrary to evolution.
  • Homosexuality
    ↪Bitter Crank


    No, I didn't like it. I have observed that a predilection for male intimacy can serve to deepen social bonding even between a pair of males who are not romantically engaged regardless of their individual sexual preferences. I don't like the notion that the bar for evolutionary legitimacy is entirely based in procreation, when the healthy continuation of a species depends on so much more than that aspect and I embrace the notion that homosexuals facilitate deeper social connections and create a stronger community by giving such support. A man's man and a woman's woman if you like.
  • Homosexuality
    ↪Akanthinos


    I never truly engage a bigot, but I use them.
  • Homosexuality
    I am not as young as some may have concluded. I am not old, but neither am I young. I am middle age.
  • Homosexuality
    When I was growing up gay we were considered mentally ill and worse — Bitter Crank

    I was put in a mental ward for "unhealthy sexual desires". The doctors prescribed me medication that had the "beneficial side effect of reducing sex drive".
  • Homosexuality
    ↪Bitter Crank


    It is better than your black swan story.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    Going a little chop happy on my posts there.
  • Homosexuality
    In the social paradigm of majorities and minorities it is true that both face prejudice, but open of these two is swimming up stream against much faster rapids. And I think what is often overlooked by the majority is the nature of the wounds caused by repeated thrashing from the same verbal weapons over decades and the sensitivity that develops due to this abuse.
  • Homosexuality
    ↪Hanover


    People need simple answers, they like them.
  • Homosexuality
    An entire society sitting around debating if you are a mistake or not, all your life over and over. It never ends. No wonder homosexual youths have a higher suicide rate.
  • Homosexuality
    Personally, I think it is deeply offensive calling for gays to legitimize their presence, as if they have to defend their right to even exist.
  • Homosexuality
    H/G children would be less productive when they are very young, but would soon be old enough to forage and perform some tasks. Their greater value comes when the adults start to age, and need youthful hunters and tribal defenders. — Bitter Crank

    They use to leave children behind when it became too much of a burden. I would assume they also left the old behind.
  • Homosexuality
    ↪Bitter Crank
    And what is the survival advantage of a species that breeds out of control until it no longer can support the community? We are at 7 billion people and still climbing.

    When humans ran in hunter gather tribes adults were much more valuable than children, as adults could contribute to the tribe while children just consumed resources. So how do you keep a balanced adult child ratio? Add a few homosexuals to the mix, they can still fall in love and continue that ever vital social bonding cycle while still providing a strong back to help with the labors of the tribe

    If you ask me, we'd be much better off if more people were gay.
  • Homosexuality
    ↪Akanthinos


    The message was never intended for him.
  • Homosexuality
    Am I gay? No — tim wood

    How do you know?
  • Homosexuality
    ↪wellwisher


    How is this any different than a white racist saying blacks are less evolved or a misogynistic male claiming a woman's place is in the kitchen? It is every bit as offensive and untrue.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    ↪JeffJo



    I am happy with my correct results.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    @JeffJo I have already stated I am done debating this problem. So I am sorry if you have an issue with my correct solution.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    ↪JeffJo


    Or I could just not worry about an outcome of zero since it has zero impact.
  • Profound Parables.
    A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke. ― Søren Kierkegaard, Either/Or, Part I
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    ↪JeffJo
    I am well aware 0 was a possible outcome, the code just runs better without the loops, and it was not significant enough to care.

    Your simulation does nothing to show this. — JeffJo

    Sorry my simulation proves you wrong.
  • Mathematical Conundrum or Not? Number Six
    ↪JeffJo
    Feel free to look at my simulations on page 26 and point out specifics.
  • Trump Derangement Syndrome
    ↪frank


    In the 50s and 60s the KKK claimed it was protecting traditional family values to recruit new members and push their views. Does that phrase sound familiar? Remember how it would then later be used to oppress the LGBTQ community? Keeping the tradition alive, right?

    Claiming something is "traditional" is not a rational foundation, and if that is your excuse then you are far from practical. The practical approach is to assess things objectively and if a "tradition" is harmful then it needs to be changed. I am not sure how you can assert a practical position, while at the same time promote such sentimental subjective adherence. Personally, I think you are just regurgitating media talking points instead of facilitating your own thoughts.
  • Trump Derangement Syndrome
    Once you label me you negate me. - Soren Kierkegaard

    The goal of "Trump derangement syndrome" is to negate a reasonable voice of concern by distracting people with a caricature.
  • Trump Derangement Syndrome
    ↪frank


    None, we are totally problem free. Now back on track. . .

    You are pretending your binary interpretation of the political spectrum is anything other than the subjective black and white painting it is; however, the truth is that you are very much stereotyping people based on your bias, and the reason you don't want to try and substantiate your position is because you know it does not rest on a solid foundation.
  • Trump Derangement Syndrome
    ↪frank


    So then what you are saying is that all our current problems were caused by the Right.
  • Trump Derangement Syndrome
    ↪frank


    You are evading.

    The truth is, you have a shallow and narrow perspective, in which you stereotype and generalize people based on your subjective interpretations.
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