• Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    A path to peace talks is to sideline the extremists and fanatics on whatever side, them'gotta go, and whatever crimes dealt with.
    Doesn't take a whole lot of zealots to sideline more accommodating moderates.
    Why the heck would Muslims and Jews be attacked on other continents over this anyway?
    "Righteous" attackers everywhere have a case (that can be found here in the thread), right?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    When people start listening to clowns, then we get a circus.

    Will refrain from linking to Antisocial Bullshit (or Patriots·Win or Gateway Pundit) further here...

    Trump supporters call for riots and violent retribution after verdict
    — Joseph Tanfani, Ned Parker, Peter Eisler · Reuters · May 31, 2024
    22 Experts Predict What the Trump Conviction Will Mean for 2024 and Beyond
    various · POLITICO · May 31, 2024
    MAGA faithful call for riots and lynchings after Trump’s guilty verdict
    — Io Dodds · The Independent · Jun 1, 2024
    US 'Civil War' Predicted on Russian State TV
    — Mandy Taheri · Newsweek · Jun 2, 2024
    Trump alludes to violence by supporters if he goes to jail - but says he’s fine with house arrest
    — Andrew Feinberg · The Independent · Jun 3, 2024

    Tracing backward, who/what stands to benefit from the division unrest ... parts?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , complementing your speculation, let me try some aspects of what's (been) going on (e.g. evidence in posts)

    • Russian losses in world war 2 aren't the first thing you hear about around the world (cf the Holocaust)
    • Russia didn't "win" the cold war (like "the West")
    • Russia hasn't comparatively seen marked development (cf Japan)
    • Russia/Moscow lost some control/influence internationally
    • Russia isn't really a top-tier economy on the world stage (like the US)
    • Russian Rubles aren't common in the international market/trade (like US$s, which came to Moscow)
    • Russian isn't commonly spoken internationally (like English, which instead invaded Moscow)
    • Russia hasn't been sort of inconspicuously "growing" (e.g. Ukraine and others going West instead)
    • Russia isn't really a top influence(r) and power for all to (respectfully) listen or turn to

    But

    • Russia is the largest country in the world (and powerful)
    • Russia can (does) produce impressive amounts of artillery
    • Russia does have lots of educated/smart people
    • Russia does have lots of resources, including some scientific/technological capacity
    • Russia does have the largest nuclear weapons arsenal around

    Frustrating for the present old-school autocratic Kremlin. Well, they can do something about that, one indignant way or another. Enemies identified, plans in motion. This stuff has (in part) set the stage for their (current) goings-and-doings.

    By the way
    • the Kremlin (circle) has a background in spycraft and up-scale manipulation
    • the Kremlin has anxiety about Russia breaking up into different independent nations
    the Kremlin has seized impressive domestic control
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Russia Moves to Expropriate Homes in Occupied Regions
    — Ann-Dorit Boy · DER SPIEGEL · May 7, 2024

    Centrally organized land grab, a contemporary Kremlin version of lebensraum, neo-imperialism.
    There's been some further reports of these efforts.
    (I suppose we can speculate that refugees may not have a home to return to, in the future, unless they buy it back from Moscow (and obtain Russian passports).)
    Whatever comes out of the Kremlin, that's part of what they're doing.
  • The Barber of Seville
    The barber paradox is also related to the Epimenides paradox ("damn Cretins") and the liar paradox.

    "You shall be careful with self-reference."

    A function cannot be its own argument, because the functional sign already contains the prototype of its own argument and it cannot contain itself.

    If, for example, we suppose that the function F(fx) could be its own argument, then there would be a proposition “F(F(fx))”, and in this the outer function F and the inner function F must have different meanings; for the inner has the form ϕ(fx), the outer the form ψ(ϕ(fx)). Common to both functions is only the letter “F”, which by itself signifies nothing.

    This is at once clear, if instead of “F(F(u))” we write “(∃ϕ) : F(ϕu) . ϕu = Fu”.

    Herewith Russell’s paradox vanishes.
    Wittgenstein

    I'm guessing these sorts of things show up elsewhere as well.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    Some politainment:

    'MAGA communism' derided as 'deranged fringe movement' – but it's winning converts
    — Travis Gettys · Raw Story · May 24, 2024

    It's almost like those guys make an effort to choose so that you can rely on choosing differently. :D
    I guess their livelihoods are somewhat limited, comedic entertainment, run for office, ...
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , wait, that's (5,7)(9) propaganda in your book? No wonder you see propaganda and conspiracies everywhere. :grin: Especially against Putin. :chin:

    Try this (for a change): Entertain a thought experiment or hypothetical to think about what changes and what doesn't in the scenario. (Hence putting it out there as a question (that you instead call propaganda).) Common practice.

    FYI, here's a piece of lightweight propaganda, maybe you can tell the difference:
    US to blame for Iranian president’s death – Belarus (— RT · May 24, 2024)
  • The Barber of Seville
    Figaro shaved Bartolo, but not Rosina though she didn't shave herself, at least I don't think she did, but what do I know — no matter, in a universe where Figaro is hairless, no such Figaro-shaving is applicable in the first place. Unless shaving a fake beard counts.

    British barbers regularly cut their clients throats instead and dispose of their bodies in meat pies, to avoid this sort of difficulty.unenlightened

    Canadians append a verbal "Sorry". :D

    So, anyway, does the King of France shave himself or not? More importantly, have you stopped shaving your palms yet, well, have you?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Where are you even getting this from, following your own link:boethius

    It was an attempt to converge acceptability, not a recitation of an old proposal, but to revise bits, hypothesize, and derive whatever therefrom. :D

    You can post as much propaganda as you wantboethius

    Huh? Where do you see that? As mentioned, it was an attempt to revise an old proposal slightly towards more acceptability, and take it (onwards) from there. (Would you like me to reformulate, maybe in Klingon...?)

    Alert: Trump's GOP busted for embracing Putin's 'dictator plot': Comedian Klepper x Melber
    — Jordan Klepper, Ari Melber, Molly Jong-Fast · MSNBC · May 22, 2024 · 6m:57s
    People here in Washington, DC are just ignoring that, making people believe like Ukraine can win, Ukraine can't, Putin won't lose, Putin will not lose, he's not going to lose.Ron Johnson

    MAGA'ers and @boethius echoing the Kremlin circle — "We're invincible" — in words or spirit.
    Of course the invaders can be sent home (reportedly a large number already has + o / w). Not via those fatalists though.
    By the way, the Kremlin has kicked off another round of their nuclear rattling (rerunning exercises, threatening the UK, France, whoever), I wonder what they're afraid of.
  • The Barber of Seville
    The Barber of Seville shaves all the men of Seville apart from himself.Nemo2124

    Should have been:
    The Barber of Seville shaves those who don't shave themselves.
    Who shaves the Barber then?
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    :D Because it's all deep fakes and hoaxes and conspiracies

    9c5qkotshams1dx6.jpg
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    the lies of Michael CohenNOS4A2

    What about the lies of the Clown in the first place?
  • Useful hints and tips
    As of typing, PlushForums is a bit skimpy on documenting supported formatting syntax.
    Most can be found (or reverse engineered) via the formatting options:

    lruzj19drb8ypfc8.png

    But not these:
    Lorem ipsum [sup]superscript[/sup]
    Lorem ipsum [sub]subscript[/sub]
    [list=1]
    [*] first item
    [*] second item
    [/list]
    
    They render like so:
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    Lorem ipsum subscript
    1. first item
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    Some formatting constructs can be nested, others not.
    Some unicode characters can be used, others not.
    These may change over time.


    A side-effect can be used to indent a text block:
    [list]
    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.
    Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.
    Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur.
    Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
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    Which renders like so:
      Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.
      Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.
      Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur.
      Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
    Being a side-effect, it should perhaps not be used.
  • Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
    And it is also difficult to do.Sir2u

    I was just thinking of history books. Extreme examples could be: the Holocaust was unjust offense, the imprisonment of Jeffrey Dahmer was just defense.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , peace, more accommodating than the original, protection of people (was raised by the Kremlin), would show bona fide interest rather than neo-colonialist/imperialist/irredentist land grabbery, ease up on unpopular conscriptions, cut down on the destruction and killing, some sanctions relief (perhaps including frozen assets), in the general interest of affected citizens, a step towards (re)building international trust, would work against European/whatever rearmament, independent Donbas is reportedly the sort of thing older Donbas folks occasionally dream of anyway, ... There could be further revision, e.g. military non-alignment (was raised by the Kremlin), a fresh Kharkiv style Pact, ... Doable? Kyiv would have to make concessions. Too much peace-mongering for war-mongers? :)


    My interest in a revised peace plan such as the above, would be Kyiv's and the Kremlin's responses, but I can only guess.

    There's no mention of reparations (potentially apart from 3 or 8 if taken further), which is rather costly, hence a significant burden.

    Perhaps this could be another revision:

    9. Guarantees against future aggression

    I'm guessing something along those lines could be acceptable to a majority of countries. After all, it would mean peace (to the extent that refugees could feel safe going home), and a victory in that respect.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    A suggested revision of Ukraine's Peace Formula:

    5. Donbas and Crimea to become free transparent independent democracies, under UN supervision (Europol might take a role) until such a time that their developments are deemed sufficiently safe free independent recovered (with borders) for the UN to take leave

    7. Investigation of all alleged war crimes, and prosecution where found (e.g. ICJ, ICC)

    Seems reasonable enough, as well as technically possible. Or something along those lines. The UN is large enough to handle the load. I'm guessing Kyiv would consider and the Kremlin would deny (pure conjectures on my part). But this could well mean bona fide peace.

    Could it be done?
  • Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
    , well, it's trivial to find examples of unjust offense and just defense.

    Anyway, I was trying to convey differentiating offense and defense, as opposed to war without further nuance. Seemed a bit like you were doing the same.
  • Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
    The moral case is clear, "we are all people" and those lives are all equal. That's why the just war tradition sets out to find objective criteria and random squiggly lines on a map ain't it.Benkei
    The "We are all people" concept does need to be accepted by both parties in a conflict if it is to be acted upon. If only one side plays by those rules, they will be the ones to suffer because the other party will use it to their own advantage.Sir2u

    So, something is missing here.

    Is there such a thing as a just offense, and such a thing as a just defense?
    Heck, while at it anyway, what about an unjust offense, and an unjust defense?
    Isn't violent conflict typically chains of offense/defense (except the best defense is a good offense)?

    Human rights movements and prisons say unjust offense and just defense, seems like a no-brainer, with the offense/defense nuance.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    FYI, published a year ago, has takeaways:

    Kennan Cable No. 82: Putin’s Home War: Imperialism vs. Economy
    — Marsha McGraw Olive · Wilson Center · May 2023 · 9 pages (pdf)

    Short article with some historical background:

    Why the USSR Collapsed Economically
    — Matthew Johnston, Michael J Boyle, Katrina Munichiello · Investopedia · Jun 24, 2021

    Might be of interest to some.
  • Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
    To any sane person homicide is :sad:.

    But as a last resort, it might be rightfully be labeled a tragedy.
    Tzeentch

    Hmm Can't quite figure out if that's a :down: or a don't know or a :up:
    Leaning towards reading your comments as a :up: which is the most common anyway
    Is my interpretation way off...?

    In my old Dojo, we were taught: trouble → run. :up:
  • Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
    , so, homicide to defend your loved ones is :up: then?
  • Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
    :ok:Tzeentch

    How far does this go I wonder...

    How about yourself, would you choose death before homicidal self-defense? (due to immorality of homicide)

    If they come for your loved ones, would you also be (or run) elsewhere? (after all, there might be killing involved)

    In short, are there boundaries? Would homicide (or whatever-cide) ever be OK?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    , critique or (supposed) prophecy? Should such a time come, "hungry nice fascist/authoritarian powerhouses" would appreciate similar sentiments toward an effective European defense. And they'll help them along too. Divide and conquer has worked well enough. Maybe ask the Baltics Finns Swedes Moldovans Ukrainians about (the ehevil) NATO. (I'd repeat other things, but, anyway, nevermind.)


    Small group of pre-war buddies, now paratroopers, with journalists, enter a battle zone. Metal in the air. 14 hours documented in 26 minutes. It's about sending the invaders packing, and that's it. Started with the Kremlin's ownership/entitlement attitudes and "vision". Probably not what you want in your neighborhood.
    Surrounded by the Russians. UA Paratroopers & United24 Journalists under RU Assault. Kayfariki & BSDG (— UNITED24 · May 4, 2024 · 26m:48s)

    I'm a bit surprised how little anti-drone weaponry has been developed. Maybe a drone-capturing drone? Not trivial, but much tech is available.


    red linesTzeentch

    Ukraine has its own "red lines" otherwise known as borders. So does Belgium, Finland, Japan and others.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Combined with the swift deteroriation of democratic principles in almost every Western democracy and we'll have a nice fascist alliance in a few decades.Benkei

    Incidentally, who do you think is eagerly trying to help that along? :D Thus sort of making full circle, well, in part at least?

    Virtual Hatred: How Russia Tried to Start a Race War in the United States (— William J Aceves · California Western School of Law · 2019)
    The Corruption of the American Mind: How Foreign Funding in U.S. Higher Education by Authoritarian Regimes, Widely Undisclosed, Predicts Erosion of Democratic Norms and Antisemitic Incidents on Campus (— NCRI · Nov 6, 2023 · 53 pages)
    Vladimir Putin’s plan to ‘tear the US apart’ during 2024 election exposed (— Charlie Bradley · Express · Dec 23, 2023)
    Russia’s War on Woke (— Mikhail Zygar · Foreign Affairs · Jan 2, 2024)
    Doppelganger operation (— EU DisinfoLab · Feb 2, 2024)
    President Grills Ivanishvili and GD in Final Address to Parliament, Offers to Mediate United Opposition Platform (— Civil Georgia · Feb 6, 2024)
    It may be too late to stop the great election disinformation campaigns of 2024 but we have to at least try (— Tom Felle · The Conversation · Feb 9, 2024)
    The Threat from Russia’s Unconventional Warfare Beyond Ukraine, 2022–24 (— Jack Watling, Oleksandr V Danylyuk, Nick Reynolds · RUSI · Feb 20, 2024)
    Denying Russia’s Only Strategy for Success (also see Reflexive control) (— Nataliya Bugayova, Frederick W Kagan, Kateryna Stepanenko · ISW · Mar 27, 2024)
    Czechia busts Russian propaganda network targeting European elections (— Martin Fornusek · The Kyiv Independent (Deník N, Der Spiegel, Le Monde) · Apr 1, 2024)
    Tracing the rise of Russian state media on TikTok (— Valerie Wirtschafter · Brookings · May 2, 2024)
    (↑ there are more reports, that's one state actor among others)


    And if NATO doesn't become some "nice fascist alliance in a few decades"? We already have hungry nice fascist/authoritarian powerhouses (that would like to see the sentiment above grow to action). This sort of anti-NATO rhetoric is indeed naïve, short-sighted, and
    ridiculousBenkei
    Unless...there's a suitable replacement in place?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Telling a fine story as usual, @boethius. :)

    over 2/3rds of Ukrainians were against NATOboethius

    Are you referring to the May 2014 gradual switch, observed in polls?

    1991              · Ukraine-NATO relations start
    1993-6            · Ukraine given some security commitments by Russia, UK, US
    1997              · Ukraine joins Planning and Review Process (NATO)
    1998              · NATO-Ukraine Commission
    20100118-0207     · Yanukovych wins election
    20131121-20140222 · Euromaidan
    20140218-23       · Dignity Revolution
    20140318          · Russia annexes Crimea
    20140329          · Kyiv: Ukraine is neutral, non-aligned
    201405--          · Roughly all polls switch from neutral to NATO
    20140525-26       · Poroshenko wins election (CyberBerkut interference)
    20190401-19       · Zelenskyy wins election
    20220224          · Russia invades Ukraine
    20220308          · Kyiv: Ukraine not insisting on NATO membership
    20220930          · Ukraine applies for NATO membership
    20230404          · Finland joins NATO
    20240307          · Sweden joins NATO
    

    whereas Ukraine is pervasively corruptboethius

    You keep repeating this (and the like) just as if having pre-settled the matter (to yourself).

    The Ukrainians have been looking to the EU for some time, despite Putin's warnings. They've shown willingness to reform, have independent election observers (+ generally, foreign press and whatever), ditch officials having been found corrupt, work with the EU to develop a fair democracy, ..., during invasion + bombing. More or less the opposite of Putin's Russia — that dominating neighbor they want to wrestle free from. In short, they're trying, whereas your comments has a faint whiff of racism occasionally seen elsewhere and fatalism (peppered with a bit of conspiracy), while portraying Putin's Russia as impregnable, faithfully echoing Putin's words. (Heck, "trying was always futile, Ukraine is Russian", right?)

    Putin signs decree setting Russia’s development goals for 2030
    — TASS · May 7, 2024
    Russia to join ranks of top four global economies — presidential decree
    — TASS · May 7, 2024
    join ranks of the top four global economies by the purchasing power parity
    agro-industrial production volume should grow by 25%

    I'm sure a good chunk of Ukraine under the Kremlin would help with that. :)
  • ChatGPT 4 Answers Philosophical Questions
    Attributions toward artificial agents in a modified Moral Turing Test
    — Eyal Aharoni, Sharlene Fernandes, Daniel J Brady, Caelan Alexander, Michael Criner, Kara Queen, Javier Rando, Eddy Nahmias, Victor Crespo · Scientific Reports · Apr 30, 2024

    The study employed a variation of the Turing test where participants were unaware of the AI’s involvement, focusing instead on the quality of the responses.
    Remarkably, they rated the AI’s moral reasoning as superior in quality to humans’ along almost all dimensions, including virtuousness, intelligence, and trustworthiness, consistent with passing what Allen and colleagues call the comparative MTT.Amanda Head · Neuroscience News · May 6, 2024

    Anyway, when are they going to task AI with developing AI? :)
  • Are War Crimes Ever Justified?
    Zooming in to individual persons, can homicide be justified? Self-defense is typically said to justify killing in some or many cases, where are the boundaries, though? (In general, there are all kinds of odd cases to consider.)

    Can such, or similar, justification be applied when zooming out to societies? Societies also encompass individuals. Boundaries...? Initiators carry significant responsibility, they're just not always easy to identify, which can be (is) abused. The attackers↔defenders relationship is asymmetrical, attackers choose for both, defenders can't choose otherwise.

    Warring has already parted ways with (self)constraint in marked ways, that notions of war crimes then have to contend with. Giving up on the ethics doesn't help though. War crimes are unjustified (at least illegal) as per definition, yes?
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Foreign interference in Ukraine’s election
    — Jakub Kalenský, Laura Galante, Maksym Eristavi, John E Herbst, Geysha González · The Ukraine Election Task Force · May 15, 2019
    Elmar Brok made some statements in 2016, that remain pertinent.

    Regarding straightforward threats to Russia (topics emphasized):

    As far as I can tell, democratization (transparency, freedom, human rights, independent election monitors, bona fide indicators, the usual) would not pose a threat to the common Russian, though it could pose a threat to certain others (not many) in Russian society. Overall, I'm guessing this would bring prosperity (and safety/security) to more Russians over time and would go some way to increase trust.

    Also as far as I can tell, in general, there's no particular threat to the common Russian, except perhaps from the Kremlin, which is internal to Russia. There's a chance that some Russians abroad have faced discrimination/threats, which is unreasonable for merely being Russian.

    Sanctions/embargoes pose a threat. Surely the likes of free (but legal) trade would be quite beneficial to Russian society, whereas more isolation (or imposed economic starvation) is more deleterious. Presumably then, not doing what caused the sanctions, is perceived as bad/worse (or threats in plural) by the sanctioned. So, we have to ask what caused the sanctions, and what consequences there might be of not doing what caused them, which involves sifting through whatever material.
    International sanctions during the Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-
    International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022-
    Sanctions against Russia

    If Russia were to accrue significant debt, then that could be a threat of sorts. Maybe not a high threat as such, might depend on creditors.

    An invasion of Russia pose a straightforward, head-on threat. We then have to ask if anyone is lined up to invade Russia, or has threatened credibly to invade. Say, is anyone in a position to grab Russian land, and interested in trying to do so? Somewhat similarly, anyone motivated and geared up to outright level Russia (not setting foot therein), without much danger to themselves, could pose a threat.

    Internal strife in Russia possibly pose a threat, depending. If the strifers wanted something similar to what the Ukrainians wanted/want (Euromaidan + Dignity), then it's possible that a threat would only be to some or few Russians (internally). External parties could have an interest in trying to sow division within Russia; surely Ukraine is motivated to try undermining the present Kremlin's power (as a countermeasure to the invasion).

    Imposed, concerted (effective, Russophobic) anti-Russification/other-fication efforts in Russia, would be a cultural/identity genocide, though the largest country in the world already has a few ethnocultural groups. So there's a threat. This is the type of threat the Kremlin has enacted on occupied Ukraine (and some other places). As of typing, there's no indication/evidence that Russia is struggling with such a threat. Homosexuality isn't that, despite the Kremlin's efforts and legislation.

    I'm sure I've missed some. Please feel free to fill in the blanks. For a more complete round-up, factors or possible moves in the other direction, to benefit Russian society should be added/compared.

    FYI, in terms of population numbers, here are some comparisons (increasing order):
    Germany + Poland < Russia < Germany + France < Russia + Belarus < Germany + France + Finland < Germany + Poland + Ukraine
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank
    There are some vague similarities between Netanyahu and Putin, like their versions of lebensraum and destruction/killing to get it, Putin being heavier on the hitlerjugend style than Netanyahu, ... Either way, expect reactions from other societies.
  • US Election 2024 (All general discussion)
    I'm told that Numbers 24:9 (read as being about Israel), is a reason for some to pick who to vote for. An exercise in (superstitious) dogmatism.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Circumstantial evidence is evidence, as far as I'm concerned. It's not my fault you are unable to infer beyond the facts, and when you do, it's invariably in defence against anything that might dispute your narrative.NOS4A2

    Odd you should write that, because your inference beyond facts works to support your narrative. Anyway, no matter, carry on.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    FYI, some events surrounding the 2014 election that Poroshenko won, plotted into a timeline of sorts (attached). The May 22-26 attacks were considered among the most comprehensive of its kind known at the time. Yarosh seems almost random; he's said to be an extremist. The Euromaidan + Dignity commotion was central, kind of reverberated onwards.

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  • Will Russia ever return to communism again?
    , , fyi, an old vote/thread taking it a step further:

    Is communism realistic/feasible? (realistic/feasible ≠ possible)
  • Israel killing civilians in Gaza and the West Bank

    disgraceful [...] lawless [...]
    If unchallenged by the Biden administration, the ICC could create and assume unprecedented power to issue arrest warrants against American political leaders, American diplomats, and American military personnel.
    [...] immediately and unequivocally demand that the ICC stand down [...] use every available tool to prevent such an abomination
    Johnson
    think of whether we stay a signatory [...]
    We have to think about talking to some of the countries that have ratified [the treaty] as to whether they want to support the organization. [...]
    I know Congress will ensure consequences for such an absurd decision.
    Sherman
    strong consequences from both Congress and the PresidentTorres

    They don't know the charges (yet), so this ↑ is about that there may be upcoming charges, regardless of what they may be (and the justification thereof)?

    concerns about the prosecution of the war [...] it's always a good idea to get the facts before making a judgmentKildee
    Why don't we see what happens, and then we can evaluate based on whatever comes out.McGovern

    Better.

    The ICC is an independent body, and it needs to proceed with what they need to do.Jayapal
    it's not a matter for Congress to be telling them what to be doingPocan

    Something for them to quarrel about.
  • The "AI is theft" debate - An argument
    Apropos:

    The Simpsons in the 1950s
    — demonflyingfox · Apr 28, 2024 · 1m:7s

    I wouldn't call it theft/plagiarism, more like a demonstration.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    UK Foreign Secretary gets together with Ukrainian most wanted man in public, for support. Meanwhile, Starbucks was renamed Stars. :D (← vague reminder of that alternate world type stuff again) Chinese officials are afraid to be seen with wanted man.
  • Ukraine Crisis
    After this Palestine thing dies off (like Ukraine did, that thread is very dead)Lionino

    Not quite ;)
  • Ukraine Crisis
    Mercenaries ...

    Cuban mercenaries fighting for Russia eliminate their commander: report
    — TV Poland World · Apr 28, 2024

    Earlier ...

    Putin signs decree to ease getting Russian citizenship for foreigners in armed forces
    — TASS · Sep 30, 2022
    Cuba arrests 17 for trafficking men to fight for Russia in Ukraine
    — Al Jazeera · Sep 8, 2023
    Special Report: How Cubans were recruited to fight for Russia
    — Dave Sherwood, Alexandre Meneghini, Mario Fuentes, Carlos Carrillo, Matt Spetalnick, Tom Balmforth, Filipp Lebedev, Felix Light, Pravin Char · Reuters · Oct 3, 2023
    Putin speeds up a citizenship path for foreigners who enlist in the Russian military
    — Dasha Litvinova · AP · Jan 4, 2024
    Don't come, it's a trap: Cuban mercenary fighting in the Russian army issues chilling warning to fellow countrymen
    — Germania Rodriguez Poleo · Daily Mail Online · Apr 23, 2024

    I suppose they're convenient cannon fodder (when they don't kill their peer invaders).



    GPS jamming traced to Russia after flights over Europe suspended
    — Jeremy Hsu · New Scientist · May 1, 2024
    Statement by the North Atlantic Council on recent Russian hybrid activities
    — NATO · May 2, 2024
    These incidents are part of an intensifying campaign of activities which Russia continues to carry out across the Euro-Atlantic area, including on Alliance territory and through proxies. This includes sabotage, acts of violence, cyber and electronic interference, disinformation campaigns, and other hybrid operations. NATO Allies express their deep concern over Russia's hybrid actions, which constitute a threat to Allied security.
    GPS jamming is a ‘side effect’ of Russian military activity, Finnish transport agency says
    — Tommaso Lecca · POLITICO · May 3, 2024
    German foreign minister says Russia will face consequences for monthslong cyber espionage
    — Frank Bajak, Karel Janicek, Stephen Graham, Samuel Petrequin, Foster Klug · AP · May 3, 2024
    Fancy Bear
    — Wikipedia

    I doubt the Kremlin cares much about condemnation of those cyber activities (for the time being anyway). When state-backed, they tend to just go on about their business.