https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-birth-and-evolution-of-judaism. — Hanover

Do you know of any book form histories on Judaism along this vein?

Fascinating stuff; thanks.

How can you use abstract philosophical concepts to temper your ego? In day to day, minute to minute life?

It's a useless thread, but I think I was 0.77, about the mean. What this means is clearly indeterminate.

To not care what others think seems to mean the process of suppressing the ego. Which is not easy, and not done via philosophy.

My guess is a) you ramble on the voice message app, and b) people's attention spans have lessened. It's a recipe for disaster on your part.

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I guess we just have different temperaments, or whatever (or rather most people here have a different temperament to mine). I don't find the coincidence "unsurprising", I find it fascinating; I just haven't done the research, so posted this in "interesting stuff" for the hell of it. It's interesting to note that most people posting seem to have a better understanding of DNA than I do, while I seem to have a more informed understanding of the I Ching...again, temperaments...or perspectives. Maybe what I'm looking for is someone with an actual understanding of both, which would probably warrant less dismissal. I guess any inquiry involving ancient texts and modern science will generally be met with an attitude of dismissal, which is expected.

Ah, more jokes. I haven't read the books I mentioned in the OP, so I was just wondering out loud if anyone had, or had read any other interesting related sources; I wasn't looking for dismissive jokes about the I Ching; I get that when I mention to people in real life that I consult it, so I've learned to shut up, which I should probably do here as well; wrong crowd.

Lol, what? Thanks though, glad you enjoyed. I think that's the Stalker in my avatar, if I remember correctly.

It's not a religious text. It predates religion in China. Yes, it's used religiously, but also secularly; it's associated with Tao, yes, but again, predates it. It's also not generally used for predicting the future; it's used to derive wisdom for what to do in current circumstances; the underlying concept is that everything is in flux, always changing, and consultation is said to describe what course of action you should take in the constantly changing experience of life. I expected basically no one other than @Unenlightened to have a grasp on it, and I'm not surprised. It's not for everyone, and this thread is in "Interesting Stuff" anyway. Ah well.

I'd suggest consulting it (with an open mind) for a few weeks.

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There are books on any idea you can imagine. — Gregory

If you do the research, you'll see that that's not a valid response to this thread.

Some random brain farts of mine led me back to this poem (which I thought I had written like 6 years ago, but turns out it's only 2 years old. I think COVID is making us all old farts)

https://nobledust.wordpress.com/2018/07/27/untitled-6/

Yup.

It was probably already changed by a moderator.

Did you change the name of this thread?

Seems poetically correct. I do love Stereolab.

Why does a dumb thread like this get a pass on not being moved to the lounge? It's about a fucking TikTok video.

It was 1 of 3 books that I have never finished in my life — Sir2u

Wow. I am a total dilettante, in that case. Not finishing books is my special move.

If I'm honest, I tend to inveterately pick fights with aggressive folk who can knock me down fairly easily. I'm sure it's some kind of complex.

I don't know; why are you?

Weird; where are all the left-leaning socialists like @StreetlightX and @Banno in this thread?

My ears are singed.

I feel as though @180 Proof probably feels at home in the nomenclature found here though, no? :up:

I'm paid by the hour, so I wouldn't know.

Oh I will sweetie pie, knowing that you're my biggest fan — StreetlightX

"Flagged for low post quality. Moved to the lounge."

Do you not feel weird about dining out without a mask, while your server has one?

I Am Indeed A Sort Of "Sucker" For This Kind Of...Alternative "Wisdom"; And Yet, I Realize That it fulfills a certain Psychological Need to be thought of as ENLIGHTENED, or Somehow...Special. I'm working on it myself.

Sick nasty :victory:

Way better:

But doesn't the conscious self serve an active creative role in manifesting the final product, this via the choices taken? — javra

I don't know what you mean.

When one composes music, one's subconscious gives one possibilities of what note to play next and the like. In the creative process, isn't the conscious self that which decides on which of these alternative possibilities to make actual at expense of all others? — javra

Eh, I dunno. When I write music, my subconscious seems to determine what I write. I.E., all the time I'm trying to step outside my comfort zone, but I always seems to go back to what I know; My conscious mind is saying "do something knew", but the unconscious is what dictates what I actually do. So maybe that's determinism? Idk.

I'm late to the game on this one, so I'll throw out a few ideas (sorry if they've already been touched on).

Creativity is not random, nor is it deterministic. What makes creativity seem random is it's immediateness. An idea takes shape, and there it is. But this is no random process; the creative process itself is made up of subconscious work which the creative brain is doing all the time. There's nothing random about the subconscious. The subconscious is made up of all sorts of things; the (sort of?) conscious part of the brain makes signs and symbols out of this subconscious stuff. What this stuff is or means is anyone's game; rather, it's the game of art interpretation...or expression? Yeah, who decides, really?

Creativity is not deterministic for the same reasons; By nature (by definition), creativity brings concepts to the fore of the conscious mind that were not at the fore before. Nothing determines what does or does not come up into the conscious mind in this process. It's extremely personal to the person who's consciousness is doing the work. The process is different for every creative person, and so there's nothing that determines just exactly how the process happens/takes shape. There are of course patterns that can be mapped. But for every mapped pattern of creative effort, there are at least as many unmapped anomalies that defy any sort of determinism.

Also, "Hand-like feet always grasp in nature" is not only more coherent and concise, but weirdly poetic? Without the big words. That's just me. I may repurpose that...if it's not plagiarism to do so.

I think of glib more in terms of sounds made by frogs. But that may be strangely appropriate.

Thankfully all of the more famous classic spots are still operational.