I will try to rescue the metaphor. The intelligibility or structure of mundane reality is dead poetry, or at least on its death bed.

Even 'poet' is a dead metaphor. — Yellow Horse

I very much agree. Owen Barfield's "Poetic Diction" is of the same vein.

I mean that 'subjects' or 'egos' or 'minds' or 'poets' are themselves 'poems.' They are interpretations of us having (in some ways) separate bodies. — Yellow Horse

I'm a poet but I'm having trouble with this. It's not poetic to say that subjects, egos, or minds, or poets are poems themselves. It's just clunky. So clearly you mean to use the metaphor differently? I don't know what it means that "they are interpretations of us having (in some ways) separate bodies".

The concept of the poet is one more poem here, as is the (self-referential here) concept of poetry. — Yellow Horse

Not sure what you mean.

Interesting. Do you connect Λόγος to the concept of "Kairos" at all?

This thread does not meet the quality standards of the forum.

As far as the second kind goes, I have enjoyed and do enjoy my own version of it. To me it's going to be poetry, metaphor, myth, symbol, art. That's not necessarily a demotion, since human beings live and die for these things. — Yellow Horse

Do you mean a mystic god is poetry, metaphor, etc? I may be misreading you.

Any and all outside sources for crucial data; my own intuition for synthesis.

I mean it's the lounge, so I dunno how in depth it's necessary to get, but I will say that as a songwriter ( and this feels substantial enough for a thread or so), writing a good quality pop song is pretty fucking hard. So no, there's a shit ton of effort that goes into a good pop song; and that's a good pop song we're talking about, not a mediocre one (which is very easy to write).

Not only making sense; you're completely right.

I can really relate to this track in the sense that this type of emotionally-focused music was very personal to me 10 or so years ago. The emotional earnestness is refreshing, even if I wouldn't choose the production choices that were made on the track.

I have no fucking idea why it made me think of this track, but this popped into my head:

@Wheatley I should elaborate. I get a sinister kick out of the (what I would call) nihilistic humor of schmoyoho et all. But I don't actually endorse it. It's a sick pleasure, but I'm not on board overall.

I have; those videos suck.

Nice. You should basically disregard everything I just said. None of this shit matters. I'm just indulging in the nihilistic viewpoint that is easy and makes immediate sense.

That's nice but it's not that great. Seek out the Daym Drops remix; another top track...

Medium-mediocre grade hook. Not great.

My musician brain delineates the better schmoyoho hooks from the worse schmoyoho hooks.

It's shit, there's no hook. This the top track, get real:

I'm also sad none of these are from

https://www.youtube.com/user/schmoyoho

NVM @SophistiCat I'm good

Give me something new but not too atonal. Something slightly fucked up but beautiful.

Holy shit

I think it might be. — Wayfarer

I appreciate your directness. You're probably right.

(Incidentally - on the subject of the role of spiritual philosophy in the context of secular culture, Charles Taylor's A Secular Age is the go-to book. It's a real door-stopper, but this blog has quite a good summary and analysis of his concept of the 'immanent frame' which helps to make sense, or frame, a lot of the meta-discussions around this topic.) — Wayfarer

I'm all for it; thanks! This looks excellent.

One of the best ways to raise quality is by not responding to rubbish. This is very hard these days, but worth trying. Ops that get no answers, drop out of sight quite quickly. This could even happen to the Trump thread if we all made an effort. — unenlightened

Very wise information, thank you. I'm guilty of responding to rubbish, out of pride. No good. It just sends me back to square one, ya know?

The lounge then becomes our compromise. — Baden

That makes sense in theory, but my problem is that the lounge is not viewable on the main forum. So if you mods relegate a thread to the lounge, well, you might as well just delete it. No? Am I missing something? (And as you know, this only happened in the past year or so (or two years? my memory sucks)). Hence my complaint about the past year.

I think your OP is probably a response to that. — Wayfarer

It is to a degree, but it's been 4 or so years in the making.

Overall, I find your philosophical perspective congenial to my own, more so than almost any other contributor, and I really do understand your objection. But you have to allow for context, as this is a public forum in a secular culture. It's not going to be predisposed to explorations of the kinds of questions that occur to (let's say) spiritual practitioners (and in fairness to the mods, there's a lot of uninformed musings - as you say, 'word vomit' - about these various topics, as contributors confront the various samskaras their unconscious is throwing up.) — Wayfarer

I appreciate that you find a connection, which I do as well. Thank you. Sure, the spiritual isn't as accepted here. Maybe that's my problem.

@jamalrob I'm down with that definition of stupidity; I'm just interested in the balance between openness and critical thinking. I'm just leaving this here for y'all mods cause y'all can see my knee-jerk reaction, word???

Good job !!

I could be wrong, but I think that would be...a phrase categorized properly as a...joake? ghoke? jaoc?

Anyway, here's a solid jam

So are you saying that mods aren't able to read all replies to all threads? That seems totally reasonable, but then the question becomes "how does a thread get relegated to either The Lounge or to deletion?" Surely all comments should be read in the thread before it's tossed somewhere? No?

Should roughly half of threads be moved to The Abyss (er sorry) The Lounge?

That's helpful to hear that aspect of the old experience (saying that honestly). I do feel as if a push for heavier moderation has come in the past year or so, but maybe that's my own perception. But, along with that perception, is the sense on my end that some decent threads have gotten pushed aside that could have yielded beneficial discussion otherwise. Again, I think of my own early threads a few years ago that I'd be embarrassed to even re-read, but yet they still stand, not in the lounge; and I learned something from them, and I don't doubt others learned something not from me by reading them. So it's not just a question of how smart the thread or the OP is, but also a question of the quality of the discussion that follows the OP.

Tell that to @StreetlightX, I guess. If you mean it.

There are a lot of really shit posts on this forum. And a few gems. — Banno

So should the majority of threads be in The Lounge then? Not readable on the main page? Since most of them are shit, per you.

If you don't like the forum, bugger off. Something I indeed do, periodically, but for some reason I find myself back here, periodically. — Banno

Trust me, I mostly bugger off.

But to be real here, I'm not accusing you mods of not going by the rules that you go by. I'm just questioning the rubric of what makes something worthy of the trash bin, and maybe more importantly, I'm annoyed that The Lounge is essentially the trash bin. Can you comment on that? Am I missing something?

All I do is vomit up woo-woo thoughts. 24/7. Even on Christmas.

Another wrinkle to the puzzle is @Baden's [url=http://classic]https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/7110/how-to-write-an-op[/url]

This is incredible textbook stuff, but if a layman wants to vomit up some thoughts, which might be pretty interesting, but don't conform to such a useful model, can't he do it? If he does, and it's profound, but too woo-woo, he'll be smashed into the trash compactor of the dreaded Lounge, will he not?

I won't comment on the God thread, it's too long and I didn't make that decision. — StreetlightX

Understood, but I would like to know why it was moved (btw I'm not like demanding a reason for any thread being moved or anything). I don't have to know, I would just like to, in this case. But I'm aware of making extra work for you mods, which I don't want to do. It's water under the bridge, as far as I'm concerned.

(1) Know Thyself is barely a thread. Frankly it ought to have been deleted if it were up to me.

(2) 'Style': Again, barely a thread. Contains no argument, just an assertion, based on anecdote. That it was moved to the lounge and not deleted is again generous. — StreetlightX

I won't try to engage in a debate about these topics; i'll just mention that 1) Know thyself is a classic topic, albeit maybe annoying. Fine, whatever.

2) Metaphilosophy about style is indeed VERY MUCH a thread, rather than barely. This is self evident.

3) WLDM being anecdotal is certainly true (I read alot but not all of the thread) but it was highly prescient to the time which to me makes it as philosophical as any other political thread (and how appropriate political threads are to the main forum is another can of worms, in my view). But sure, it can go either way.

And at the end of the day, @StreetlightX, as I mentioned, I just scrolled through page 1 of the Lounge to compile that. Your rebuttal of what you think about those threads certainly doesn't stand as a satisfactory response to the overarching issue I'm highlighting here. It's a good start for sure, though. But not the end of the topic. And I'd love any and all MOD's comments about the nature and use of The Lounge. Comments that are honest and not politically pandering to us poor plebs... (I'm smiling, ok? It's a fucking joke that's also not a joke! Role with it; laugh!)