The poorest will gain a measly 100 bucks each on average (or pay 380 more, which they can't afford). — Baden

6.8% of the poorest 20% will NOT get a tax cut, but rather will pay more tax under the Trump tax plan.

The richest will gain 20,000 bucks more each on average (which they don't need, or pay 3990 more, which will make hardly a difference to them). Also, it's the richest three bands that have the highest percentage of beneficiaries as well as the highest net benefits. That equates to tax cuts for the rich, or if you want to be more precise, tax cuts overwhelmingly aimed at benefitting the rich. — Baden

You realize that all that red is intended to finance tax cuts for the rich and that the debt is projected to increase right?? — Baden

Ordinary income -- things like wages, business income and interest -- are currently taxed at seven possible rates depending on your income level: 10%/15%/25%/28%/33%/35% and 39.6%. The top rate of 39.6% kicks in at around $480,000 of income if you're married; $417,000 of income if you're single.

Under the Trump plan, the seven bracket system would be replaced with three rates: 10%, 25%, and a top rate of 35%. The May rollout did not include any detail as to at what level of income those rates would apply, so the TPC had to fill in the blanks by assuming that the income breaks Trump proposed during his campaign would be adopted; thus, the Center assumed that the 10% bracket would apply up to $37,500 of income ($75,000 if married), while the 25% bracket would apply on income up to $112,5000 ($225,000 if married), with the 35% rate applying to all income above those amounts.

Lowest 20%: Income $0 - $25,000.

How many get a tax cut? 64.5% of taxpayers earning less than $25,000 will get a tax cut.
How much, on average, will those getting a tax cut save? On average, those enjoying a tax cut will save $100.
How many will have a tax increase? 6.8% of the poorest 20% will NOT get a tax cut, but rather will pay more tax under the Trump tax plan.
How much, on average, will those with a tax increase pay in additional tax? On average, those experiencing an increase will pay an additional $380.

Next 20%: Income $25,000 - $46,800

How many get a tax cut? 70.3% of taxpayers earning between $25,000 and $46,800 will get a tax cut.
How much, on average, will those getting a tax cut save? On average, those enjoying a tax cut will save $520.
How many will have a tax increase? 23.9% of the next 20% will NOT get a tax cut, but rather will pay more tax under the Trump tax plan.
How much, on average, will those with a tax increase pay in additional tax? On average, those experiencing an increase will pay an additional $640.

Next 20%: Income $46,800 - $86,100

How many get a tax cut? 75.1% of taxpayers earning between $46,800 and $86,100 will get a tax cut.
How much, on average, will those getting a tax cut save? On average, those enjoying a tax cut will save $1,320.
How many will have a tax increase? 23.8% of the next 20% will NOT get a tax cut, but rather will pay more tax under the Trump tax plan.
How much, on average, will those with a tax increase pay in additional tax? On average, those experiencing an increase will pay an additional $990.

Next 20%: Income $86,100 - $149,400

How many get a tax cut? 77.8% of taxpayers earning between $86,100 and $149,400 will get a tax cut.
How much, on average, will those getting a tax cut save? On average, those enjoying a tax cut will save $2,640
How many will have a tax increase? 22.0% of the next 20% will NOT get a tax cut, but rather will pay more tax under the Trump tax plan.
How much, on average, will those with a tax increase pay in additional tax? On average, those experiencing an increase will pay an additional $2,260.

Richest 20%: Income > $149,400 -

How many get a tax cut? 73.0% of taxpayers earning more than $149,400 will get a tax cut.
How much, on average, will those getting a tax cut save? On average, those enjoying a tax cut will save $19,510.
How many will have a tax increase? 26.9% of the richest 20% will NOT get a tax cut, but rather will pay more tax under the Trump tax plan.
How much, on average, will those with a tax increase pay in additional tax? On average, those experiencing an increase will pay an additional $3.990.

Yes, it was fake news that made me think Trump's budget included over a trillion dollars in cuts to anti-poverty measures — Baden

So Mill's "the moral coercion of public opinion" is a misuse of the term? — Banno

So... threats of physical violence, terrorist propaganda, and such things would count as coercion? — Banno

Agustino - don't bother. — Wayfarer

But the wider point is that apparently you think one can say anything? — Banno

Her testimony convicts her and her church's teachers. — Bitter Crank

They are certainly "sharp, shocking, and grim". — Bitter Crank

Their thinking is no different than the kind of savage theology practiced by Muslim fundamentalists -- cutting off the hands of thieves, killing women for shaming the family, or throwing homosexuals off the roofs of buildings. — Bitter Crank

Well, what would you call her? A "not-enthusiastic about homos"? A "hetero-preferer"? "Homo annoyed"? — Bitter Crank

Look, if you are willing to slam the door on your own gay son, you probably are going to feel something similarly hateful when you see two guys kissing. — Bitter Crank

Cons:
Ballooning debt
Increasing poverty
Degrading environmental protections (locally and globally)
Encouraging xenophobia
Legitimizing vulgar discourse
Legitimizing corrupt business practices
Attacking freedom of the press
Excessively increasing military spending
Decreasing security (e.g. increasing threat of nuclear war)
Disregarding honesty / integrity of office
Delegitimizing judiciary / constitutional checks and balances — Baden

Good for you man. You realize you are supremely self righteous and arrogant sounding right now. Your point is what? — schopenhauer1

(except you, because you are an asexual god who puts his energies in all these productive and godly things, unlike that nasty sex stuff that the rabble-bachus-lovers are bitching on about :-} ). — schopenhauer1

(for the depraved that is, not the asexual godly-types such as yourself ;)) — schopenhauer1

It was not about the superior powers of Agustino. — schopenhauer1

I am not saying it's so bad to be debilitating simply that it is one of the most aggressively negative desires due to the dissatisfaction it may cause. — schopenhauer1

The pursuit, sustaining, the drama is a large part of humanity and shows up in almost all literature starting with the earliest tales, epics, and poems. — schopenhauer1

Because, Agustino, it's your Christian duty to contribute to the supply of happiness, and every man has to do his share. The truth is, you are contributing less sex to the common good than most men. We want you to gird up your loins, get out there, and fuck your brains out like everybody else. It is simply unacceptable that some people should die in want of satisfactory orgasms while others are sitting on the sidelines nattering on about Epicureans.

Given your self-acknowledged physical fitness and business acumen, you are assigned a donated orgasm quota of 10 orgasms per week. Please, no complains. Men your age should be able to produce 14 to 21 orgasms a week in their partners. If you need more incentive, one of our agents can visit you and provide all the incentives you could possibly desire. You should not be with the same partner all the time. Spread the wealth, don't pile it up in one place. (Do we need to say your orgasms do not count against your quota?) — Bitter Crank

So there is this pleasure which some get more of and others less. — schopenhauer1

Assuming (excepting the rare asexual) there are people who like the pleasure of sex equally, it is not as equally distributed. — schopenhauer1

Ugh, this sounds horribly repressed and self-righteous to boot. — schopenhauer1

Some things are more pleasurable and desirable than others. I don't know, but I've heard sex feels really good. — schopenhauer1

If you do not think that sex causes distress or dissatisfaction, then why is it so prominent in most religions? — schopenhauer1

Social commentary? Social media? Discussions? Books? Articles? News? Comedy? It's everywhere and desired by many- if not almost everyone. — schopenhauer1

Some things are more pleasurable than others. — schopenhauer1

I'm not opposed to asceticism- I'm a Schopenhauer fan for Christ's sake. However, I don't see many ascetics in the general population. — schopenhauer1

Also, what is the reason why asceticism is a struggle for many? — schopenhauer1

Oh, right because desires, especially ones like sexual intercourse, seem to be a pretty tough one to overcome for many (except you, because you are an asexual god who puts his energies in all these productive and godly things, unlike that nasty sex stuff that the rabble-bachus-lovers are bitching on about :-} ). — schopenhauer1

I don't know if you ever heard people having some good sex before (if they are not faking) but, I hear it can be titillating (for the depraved that is, not the asexual godly-types such as yourself ;)) — schopenhauer1

Anyways, the point was really a metaphor for the fact that THEY are getting some, and the listener is not. — schopenhauer1

I know that is hard for you to believe, being that you are far superior than the depraved rabble. — schopenhauer1

If average throw-away sex is only just so good, the limited amount of good relationship-sex (if your theory is correct) is even that much more limited, as good relationships themselves between two romantic lovers is even harder to find. Thus, it is that much more unequally distributed. — schopenhauer1

Yep. — schopenhauer1

Agustino, surely you can't be serious with this rubbish statement. — Maw

Sex is unequally distributed. — schopenhauer1

It is one of the most vicious sources of desire-seeking dissatisfaction in the world. — schopenhauer1

Whether it is sex in general, or sex with the most ideal mating partner, the unequal distribution of either one makes it on the balance, rather negative in a general population sense. — schopenhauer1

She wants the guy to keep going as long as he can, harder, longer, etc. etc. . This is not trying to be a soft porn here — schopenhauer1

That person listening to this, is not getting sex, is not providing (or being provided) the pleasure. — schopenhauer1

Now, what does this mean for the individual? — schopenhauer1

This causes more misery. Again, unequal distribution. — schopenhauer1

Either way, there is this primal thing that some people have more frequently, more qualitatively, etc. etc. while others do not. — schopenhauer1

But now you are condoning the coercion of those seeking an abortion... — Banno

I gave an example of such coercion. You re-described it as "look(ing) down on you for your behaviour". — Banno

They are. They just cannot do it in front of the clinic, since that is seen as coercion. — Banno

So this law, making it illegal to harass people within 150-metres of abortion providers, would meet with your approval?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/women-avoid-prolife-protesters-for-the-first-time-in-decades-20160502-gok1gl.html — Banno

So would that legal agreement be that you would refrain from attempting to coerce those who seek abortions, and those who are willing to perform abortions? — Banno

Is it possible to reach some sort of agreement? — Banno

I have no great interest in the abortion debate; nor in the philosophical yoga you need in order to support a position you inherited from your religion. — Banno

With no external interference the blastocyst will die. It is parasitic on the woman. — Banno

I had a fried egg, not a fried chicken. — Banno

The difference is not moral, but about what counts as a human. — Banno

That view is wide open to debate. I had a fried egg for breakfast, not a fried chicken. — Banno

But as I understand, to say that I am entitled to not be punched by you is just to say that it is wrong for you to punch me. — Michael

not explaining what that difference is — Michael

The difference between the two is that one case speaks of what's moral and immoral without making me entitled to something, while the other says that I'm entitled to have you behave morally to me, which is false. You should behave morally to me, but I'm not entitled to it. — Agustino

In what sense is there no way to reconcile the two positions? — Agustino

So you're not entitled to freedom of expression but it's wrong for me to restrict your freedom? Again, I fail to see the difference. — Michael

and your point here is, as I understand you, that there is no way to reconcile our two positions? — Banno

So your contention is that a blastocyst is a human being. — Banno

What's the difference between saying that it is morally (or legally) impermissible for me to restrict your freedom of expression and saying that you have a right to freedom of expression? Seems like much the same thing to me. — Michael

So a religious (or nonreligious) person doesn't have the right to freedom of expression? — Michael

Nope. — Agustino

And if the doctor had no issues with the removal, that would be fine? — Banno

Outside of self defense, for example, a religion has no legal standing in the USA to physically harm an LGBT person, for example. — Brian

SO you would not object to it being removed. — Banno

So presumably if asked to participate in a vote on whether homosexuals ought have the right to marry, you would say "yes". — Banno

An example: one's freedom of religious expression ceases when it harms another; by restricting their marital status, or preventing having a blastocyst removed? — Banno

or preventing having a blastocyst removed? — Banno

If a belief system can be "sociopathic" (the term applies to persons) it's for providing a strong incentive to disassociate herself from her gay son. She's a homo-hater, encouraged by her religion. I get that she may be hurt and disappointed in her son -- at least as hurt and disappointed as her son is in her. — Bitter Crank

It has been said that in marriage, the pain and stress of divorce is greater than even the pain of losing a spouse to death. I believe the same can be said of breaking ties with your child. Unless one has experienced this kind of loss and grief, they cannot fully understand the depth of pain experienced by a parent.
Someone may ask, “Why would anyone break ties with her own child?” The answer is, “loyalty to Jesus.” Being a disciple of Jesus demands our relationship to him be greater than our relationship to our own family, even our own children (Matthew 10:37).
I pray that you never have to make such a sacrifice, but I also pray that you love the Lord enough to choose Him over your children. This is where we find ourselves. This is our life. Our oldest son has turned his back on the Lord, and in spite of all our attempts, he refuses to repent. Consequently, our relationship has changed. It cannot remain the same and be loyal to Jesus (2 Thessalonians 3:6,14-15; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13). Our contact with our son is now limited to attempts at restoration. We have no fellowship. We used to share holidays, regular phone calls and texts, family events, etc. but now, all that is gone. Our son has completely turned his back on everything he ever believed. He has no respect for the Lord or His church. He has chosen a life of sin rather than the hope of salvation. And because of his rebellion against God, we as parents must make a choice. Do we overlook his practice of sin and maintain our relationship, or do we withdraw ourselves from him as the Lord instructs?
I believe that the blood of Christ is more important that the physical flesh and blood that I share with my son. Unfortunately, my husband and I know the pain of “giving our child to the Devil.” Those words are sharp, shocking and grim, just as Paul intended them to be when he wrote them (1 Corinthians 5:5). Perhaps I am writing this is for myself more than for those who are reading. I have not seen my son in nearly two and a half years now and there are days that the pain is just as fresh as ever. Until now, I have kept this pain inside and shared with only a couple of my closest friends. I am not sure that a day has gone by that I have not shed tears. Sometimes it is a single tear and other days are gut wrenching cries of despair. I have pulled into my driveway with tears blinding my eyes, only to find myself literally screaming and wailing in grief. I’m devastated by our loss; his loss.
I feel desperation and hopelessness. I’m scared. What probably began as harmless flirtation with sin has now become a quicksand that pulls my son deeper and deeper toward Hell. Sometimes I feel jealous of other parents who have close, loving relationships with all their grown children. I feel embarrassed by what my son has done.
The fact is, I don’t know this person that I once thought I knew so well. Was I blind to things that I should have seen? I believed our relationship was so close. I adored this child. Was the love our son expressed to us all a lie? How does one go from being a respectful obedient child to flagrantly disregarding everything we taught him and everything that we stand for?
A full night’s sleep…what is that? While I am able to fall asleep easily, there is not a night that goes by that I sleep until morning. I awaken in the middle of the night, and the first thought in my mind is that I had just had a terrible dream, but I soon realize that it wasn’t a dream, it is reality; my reality.
I try to picture where my son is now and what he may be doing. I hurt. Sin is ugly. It is disgusting. It perverts. While I don’t want to know, I find myself drawn to his social media like watching two cars collide. I want to look away, but I can’t. I care too much.
Sometimes the hardest thing are the memories. Remembering the joy I felt in that plump baby who looked at me so adoringly. I remember when he sat on the kitchen counter helping peel potatoes or stir ingredients into the batter. I remember our home school days at the kitchen table and reading together on the couch. I remember singing harmony together in the kitchen. I remember the pride I felt when he led singing or gave a talk at young men’s night at church. Those memories are all I have left now. There are no more to make.
Occasionally, I may see a young man that looks like my son. Or, I may be cleaning out a closet and see a photograph. I may be asked by a well-meaning person, where my son is now. All these make me cry. He was such a handsome boy, an excellent student, a talented musician, so kind and thoughtful of others. He never gave us trouble while at home. He loved his siblings. I remember his “infectious laugh.”
Mother’s day and Father’s day are so hard. While we used to receive the most precious cards and notes of love and appreciation, now any correspondence from him are filled with anger, blame, hateful words. Even worse are the sarcastic and blasphemous words used toward his heavenly Father.
Self evaluation, guilt, despair, fear….I have felt all these emotions. Who is a perfect parent? Who doesn’t have something that they would change if they could go back. Even so, I know that we were good parents. We loved our son, spent time with him, encouraged him, and taught him God’s word.
I don’t know what the future holds for our son or our family. What I do know is that God is faithful (2 Thessalonians 3:3). He will do what is right (Genesis 18:25). He will reward those who diligently seek him (Hebrews 11:6). More than I could have ever understood before, I long for the promises of heaven, namely that God will wipe away every tear…there will be no more death, sorrow, crying, or pain (Revelation 21:4).
Heaven will be a place of great reunion with those who have gone on before. There is an old hymn that invites everyone to “come to the feast”. I just wish we didn’t have an empty chair at our table.

Does it contain a thick, robust streak of sociopathy? — Bitter Crank

Do you have any control over your digestive or metabolic processes? — Wayfarer

For time, space, and causality, on which all those real and objective events rest, are themselves nothing more than functions of the brain

That which knows all things and is known by none is the subject. Thus it is the supporter of the world, that condition of all phenomena, of all objects which is always presupposed throughout experience; for all that exists, exists only for the subject — Wayfarer

The point is, the subject is never an object of perception. We never know the subject as something 'in the world' - it's rather more that the world is something 'in the subject'. ('Every one finds himself to be subject, yet only in so far as he knows, not in so far as he is an object of knowledge.' Schopenhauer, 1) — Wayfarer

We cannot see the seer - it's like the hand attempting to grasp itself. That might sound trite, but it really isn't, because what we don't see is the very act of seeing. — Wayfarer

And subjects are certainly "in the world"; they always find themselves in a world with others. As Heidegger points out 'being in the world' is the essence of the being of Dasein; Heidegger actually wants to get away altogether from the whole misleading notion of there being a subject in any substantive sense — Janus

The people tend to do better in democracies. — praxis

When the winning coalition is large, as in democracies, the leader will tend to use public goods to satisfy the coalition. — wikipedia

Well, no, I don't. — Wayfarer

It has a means of enabling it. — Wayfarer

Because that is what democracy is. — Wayfarer

Many people used to die of curable diseases before middle age. — Wayfarer

You have yet to show why you take it that my attitude doesn't allow for principled opposition... here you are opposing me! Eppur si muove as Galilei said! — Agustino