Well if you like miserable women and them to stay that way, how can you say you are pro-women

Youre making pregnancy into a cyst situation which is retarded, stupid, divorced from reality, creepy, and many other predications

Actually it is up to men to control woman in some ways because women can't be happy unless they are controlled by men in some way

Feminists have hurt many women with their beliefs. They present themselves as liberated bodies which men often find attractive. Women find out later in life however that they are not men and that having many partners and/or abortions have made them, at mid-age, unattractive to many men, especially as a marriage partner. Studies have some that women are much more attracted to men feminist consider sexist, and so the whole feminist ideology is a confused attempt to force their will on reality

They are obsessed with her life. — James Riley

or her body

Pregnant mothers intuitively feel their child as their own offspring while pregnant. There is also such a thing as "fetal-maternal microchimerism" where mothers don't only affect the child growth but the fetus keeps the mother healthier throughout the pregnancy. Pro-choicer Tim Wood above says that abortion is self defense, as if the child is invading the mother. This is a corrupt way of looking at it

I read Roe vs Wade awhile ago. Everyone educated in the subject knows it's arguments, none of which are strong. If there is something specific in it you want me to recall then type out a brief paragraph on it

Why should I be schooled in morality by someone who doesn't know what the word morality means? I've been exchanging words with people who don't have a soul in their breasts so there is no real communication get through to them. This is obvious. Have you guys ever debated someone who firmly believes slavery of black people is good? Try it someday. Find some educated in KKK propaganda. It might be an eye opener. It's not about what you CAN say, it's about what is right

it's hers — tim wood

As in "her child"

Abortion is self-defense? No. Do you want homework on this?

"Religion is not, as Hegel thought, the revelation of the Infinite in the finite; rather, it is the self-discovery by the finite of its own infinite nature" — j0e

Well that depends on how one experiences the infinite. I don't think you can force it to happen through reading or yoga. It might be like Hegel says, a receiving of something that feels foreign. Hegel believed in "God" in this sense, but it's something that happens through self-discovery nonetheless

Pro-choice people get strangely confused by respect for life, because they are obsessed with a mother's "right" to deny her motherhood

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Respectfully putting them somewhere to die is not the same as stepping on them

*We are never forced to do an evil* so it all depends of how it's done

Have a nice day

I've also said they could in a situation pull the plug, so to speak, on a frozen embryo. But you still posted that I put their life in preference. Hmm

Some things in life can only be explained so far

It's not about logic

It's not about logic

I won't repeat myself dude. I thought you could put the pieces together from all the pieces I GAVE YOU but you can't. I'm not going to spend all day talking to you about existential realities

We don't get to choice existential realities. If you want to give poison to kill someone's pain you have to except that you are killing then. You can't say "this is a side effect". We know how poison and bullets are in reality. " Some might consider" is not an argument

This is not about abstract logic. Your soul isn't involved in this discussion so you're not seeing what I've already explained. It doesn't matter what "some might" consider. Its about truth. You draw a distinction between the mother and child, pitting the one against the other, demonstrating you are a very confused person. Taking away support we set up is different from intentional killing them

It's like if I say "giving him poison was to kill the pain and the death is a side effect". That's what your logic is like

Life support is not nature

There is a Catholic Biblical scholar who writes books now saying that Einstein invented relativity in order to avoid "proof" that geocentrism is true. He says Einstein wanted a theory that justified relativism of thought so that he didn't have to "bow the knee to Rome". Personally I think relativity and evolution are mind expanding ideas but this is a philosophy forum and people want to know how physics relates to this other field

You can't see the difference and won't. Nature takes its course but shooting is not nature. You can't see that an embryo is a baby. These are all obvious things I've written about but go ahead and have the last word.

You are a fine writer but don't or can't draw conclusions. Having a phobia about conclusions doesn't mean you are best at understanding words.

Your life started in pregnancy but you're pro-choice and don't have respect for pregnancy. So you can't see necessary distinction in these questions

Tim woods go to argument is "you don't understand words"

There could be a situation where you can kill a non-criminal if they are facing great pain and it's like the situation of a horse with broken legs. That is one of those gray areas but abortion is not that unless the child is in great pain. Abortion is about the mother choosing her freedom over the child's right to life. To perform an abortion is THE most immoral thing a person can do. You can't asses these issues without a respect for life

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For those faced with those decisions there is a very real difference between stopping machines you set up and shooting the person in the head. This is not an "on paper" issue. It's life and blood reality

I did answer your question. There a difference between allowing to die and killing. The doctors can work out how they want to do this in a human way very easily

Numbers go out of existence when no one is thinking of them. Either you are affirming pure Platonism or what you say makes no sense. Truth is not a substance "out there" but instead the proper formation of a soul that emerges from biology

It's like someone on life support who is brain dead. Putting a bullet through their head is different from taking away life support. Not noticing these distinctions brings about issues such as abortion where people spin arguments and don't think about the issue with moral conscience

I'm glad you asked for clarification. Read my last post above

I do not think it's civilized in this country to have a Nuremberg trial situation. I think they should make abortion illegal, promote healthy birth control, and have capital punishment for the doctor (and him alone) for illegal abortions. This would help our country out tremendously

You didn't say you wanted to be an abortion doctor. Anyway, the death penalty is applied by the state as we all know. It won't happen for abortion because of the after the law was legal thing. But it could stop illegal ones if the Supreme Court made abortion illegal

Philosophy can be a very dangerous thing

As a sign of respect to your humanity, I'll tell you that you don't have any unique arguments for abortion anyway. It's the same private opinions on when life begins. It doesn't respect pregnancy but you can't see that because you want to be an abortion doctor. An abortion doctor gives up his right to life when he takes life, just like anyone else who takes like. That natural law. That's why we have the death penalty