Why are you quoting German words as if they are wicked?

People give Nietzsche a free pass although he said cruelty was a good thing. Heidegger is thrown out for something that has nothing to do with his philosophy

You seem very racists against Germans. I'm Italian and not offended, but your use of words is racist

I've read books Hitler, yes. I consider writings of such to be easily mistaken about facts of personality. I have known a lot of people who were crazy and a lot of people who used drugs. Watching Hitler is seeing all of them in one person

Hitler was crazy long before he came to power. Dr. Morell gave him meth, opiods, and cocaine on a regular basis. Hitler was given shots around every hour and they were concoctions of over 70 substances. They had to keep him under control

I don't own a TV. I go by what I've studied about Hitler's doctors and above all on reading Hitler' condition from all his videos out of here. If a person is crazy and on drugs he can't possibly be the one really running a nation. He's a puppet

Are you really saying you can't tell Hitler was 1) crazy, and 2) on drugs from his videos? That's ridiculous

Hitler didn't write all of his rambling book. What I'm saying is that the man was psychotic most of his life and watching videos of him completely confirms this. People watch him with a fascination with the Nazis. Yes! it's not me who is doing this, it is people obsessed with the "evil man Hitler". He was mentally ill and may have been evil but I don't know that and neither do you considering he had a serious mental illness. You can't know how those people really process reality and its irrelevant what papers Hitler signed

A lot of people watch Hitler's speeches and think he's possessed. They really are witnessing the effects of methamphetamine

No but we have video of Hitler. Just look at him and you know he's crazy. You can't really judge a puppet mental patient like you do. We know who the people were behind the Holocaust (Himmler, ect). Hitler was in his own world and Heidegger was not a member of that group

He was technically insane so there is no way to know

Let me connect my previous thoughts. There is something inherently unnatural about sexuality. It is an act of the body, not the body itself. It is like anger in that it can be used in a very bad way like anger does in hate. Yet I would say that sexuality is always like a drug and therefore is self altering. Nobody avoids this or can. Even Jesus, since he was a man, had experienced something of penis autonomy. Because sexuality is an assertion against your parents, we all look to a father, and mother, to trust in. People have turned to Jesus (who supported historical genocide by the Jews) and Hitler and Trump and every other figure of adoration. Every adult struggles with their entry into adulthood because we want to return to the toyland of childhood where everything was fresh and new. Heidegger fell for a type freakshow political ploy where someone who was psychotic was turned by quack doctors into a figure of hope for people who were starving for a better era. I think people are too likely to go with common narratives of these questions instead of thinking for themselves

"The central core of experience seems to be the conviction, or insight, that the immediate now, whatever its nature, is the goal and fillment of all living". Allan Watts, 1960, This Is It

Japan and Germany in WWII were lead by a Zen type of philosophy. Live in the moment. That was their existential philosophy. We can never know for sure, from philosophy, why and how humans came into being, so we should focus on the present. Throw out Heidegger and you throw out Zen

Hitler would have been remembered as a great leader if he was properly lead by his cabinet. He was a crazy man given drugs to appear as if he had the "spirit of Germany". It was an attempt to save a nation, but there were bad people involved who's ambition and pride led them to mass murder

We are born, open open our eyes, learn to walk and play, then find books. And? Its just other people's words really. We don't know their motives or honesty because their are opinions on opposite sides on all issues of the past. My point is we know our own times far more clearly than we do past ages

Psychoanalysis is gibberish with no grounding. — emancipate

Well philosophy and psychology are indistinguishable. It's a modern error to separate them

It seems you judge past ages after all, then. Is mass murder the only exception to your inclination not to judge those who lived in the past? — Ciceronianus the White

We know we share some type of "human nature" with the past and we know murder is wrong. I believe we can know some philosophical truth and it is wrong to say "God can command murder". However, we don't know apart from this many circumstances from the past, who was good, who was bad, what was the greater good in each case. You guys are saying we should throw out the entire philosophy of a great writer because of possible poor judgments of his in terms of politics. I don't like the Nazis but we don't even know everything about what was going on back than although we can say, based on human nature, that when they murdered they committed crimes

So you know for a fact that in what policy was right in Fitche's age? That's not hate on your part but it is arrogant. I don't judge past ages because I didn't live then. Does not modern cultural theory suggest the same? I support Biden, many Democratic policies, but I don't go around judging people from the past as if I knew what it was like to be back then.

In interpreting past ages I interpret hate as violence

That's how to read it. Try thinking

People become Christian to regain a sense of parenthood over themselves again

The number one thing people feel guilt over is sex. According to Freud and Jung (and I think they are right) active sexuality is a choosing of one parent (i.e. boy for his mom) and rejecting the other; in essence, rejecting all parenthood for independent ownership of "thingness". This has very deep affects on the whole psyche and the guilt from it spills over into other areas. People will think they feel guilty for one thing when it really springs from somewhere else

The Jewish people have been a nomadic people for for a very long time. Wanting to be accepted by all nations, they have usually had a very cosmopolitan ideology. Germans traditionally have been very nation and soil oriented. It use to be German law that you had to be born on German land to join their army. These peoples have never gotten along well it seems

I want to read a lot more of Fitche's philosophy. I've only read sporadic quotes from him of Jews but that doesn't interest me. To my mind philosophy is separate from such questions.

So your argument is that Heidegger must have smelled the bodies that were burned and knew it was extermination and not soldiers bodies?

“A State within a State:
"…the Jewish nation excluded itself…from the German nation by the most binding element of mankind—religion…It (the Jewish nation) separates itself from all others in its duties and rights, from here until eternity... I see absolutely no way of giving them [the Jews] civic rights, except perhaps if one chops of all of their heads and replaces them with new ones, in which there would not be one single Jewish idea." Fitche

that it makes no difference if he did, — Ciceronianus the White

Of course it makes a difference if he supported geonocide. My number one problem with the three major religions on the West are their endorsement of mass murder at "God-Allah-Yawweh's" commands

How do you know H knew nothing about the (extra-judicial murders by the regime before and) death camps during the war when so many 'educated' German civilians throughout das Drittes Reich clearly saw, heard & smelled those atrocities on a daily basis? — 180 Proof

Considering the circles Heidegger worked within, it's unlikely he knew anything about the exterminations

Where did Fitche call for Jews to leave Germany? — Olivier5

He has a lot of quotes on Jews throughout his writings. He wanted a German nation run by Germans alone

Where did Fitche call for Jews to leave Germany? — Olivier5

https://www.google.com/search?q=fitche+and+jews&rlz=1C1OKWM_enUS867US867&oq=fitche+and+jews&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i10j46i10j69i61j69i60l3j69i61.2273j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I see that

Necessity= order

Order= non-random

Contingency= randomness

Randomness= disorder

So unless order is in the eye of the beholder, we should be able to tell as humans what disorder is when we find it. For me, it is the irrational

Yet I can admit there is a randomness of sorts in lots of games that is contained within the field of rationality

Sounds like Hobbes. In our age nobody would say this openly. Back in the day this was not unusual. I have a book by an old English judge written in response to J.S. Mill's book on liberty. The judge talks of crushing skulls instead of following Mill's utopian vision. That style of talk is just what it was like back then. I am sure every German suspected Hitler at schizophrenia, but they tricked themselves into thinking the German "geist" moved within him. Hegel too, I am sure, had schizophrenia, but he turned it into some of the most beautiful and truthful philosophy ever written. Hitler turned out to be a failure, yet keep in mind those were hard times for Germany and many felt that harsh language was not inappropriate

It constitutes not being strong enough to condemn the war, but Heidegger didn't know about the concentration camps until they revealed by the Allies

That's our era. You can't judge things that happened 100 years ago except for violence and murderous acts. Other things are too easily misunderstood. Even nowadays we need to have a certain amount of understanding for Christians who defend old testament genocide. If they actually kill someone, no then we don't have any more sympathy

Mein Kampf — 180 Proof

Can you cite the passages that call for murder of Jews? That work was clearly a hysterical attempt to unite a nation and many people didn't take everything in it literally. The "Address to the German Nation" by Fitche was more self-consistent and although he too called for Jews to leave Germany, this idea that Germans and Jews could in no real way cooperate together in a nation goes back before the time of Kant. Hegel and Nietzsche were read by Nazis, although they defended Jews. So the whole issue is rather complicated and it's hard to pass judgments on times we can't fully understand. What we can pass judgment on is murder, which Christians say God can and does command and which Heidegger's rejection of Christianity did not support

He did not openly support Nazism after they started murdering people. That party has been around for almost 20 years before genocide started. As with ancient religious texts, I'm all for reinterpreting in order to have a new modern take on them. As for Heidegger, I don't see anything that is Nazi about his philosophy and thus there is nothing that needs to be reinterpreted and cleansed. Imagine a Cambodian wrote Being and Time as you read it. Does this really matter??

Heidegger was not for murder as far as we know. Jesus was. Jesus was a Nazi. Christians are Nazi. Jews are Nazi. Islam is Nazi. Like I said, there is nothing special about Hitlerites

Since you would have forced Heidegger to apologize, I guess you need to start forcing Christians and Jews to give up the Nazi OT. Oh boy

As German modern Nazis have pointed out, the old Testament Jews were the original Nazis. "Our race is special" "we have the mandate to kill other races". Jesus was a good orthodox free lance rabbi and bought into this, and into the belief that he was Yahweh