The only frustration I feel here is that you have not put together anything like the coherent defence of theism I would have liked to see.

I'm not defending theism, I'm critiquing your atheism and it seems to be working no?

So there is a proof of a christian god in theoretical physics?

No. Does theoretical physics confer survival value in the jungle?

You are welcome to make such leaps as you see fit. You come into a public forum, we might amazed at your dexterity, or amused by your inelegance.

Are you getting frustrated because your struggling with adequate answers?

Kant was wrong.ears . The question has no answer; it makes no sense.reply="Banno;341394"]

Are you admitting then that there's mystery in the world?

Which of course is just bullshit.

Is theoretical physics bulshit?

"Proposing that it does would be a very lame argument."

Using it as a basis of one's leap of faith, is that a lame argument?

There are indeed things I do not understand. That does not imply that there is a god.


Good response. Volitional existence is important. And intuition, a sense of Wonder , Love ,mathematical ability, musical genius ,consciousness , all seems to point towards something beyond logic or metaphysical...

And speaking of metaphysical, when someone says I got married by falling in love with him or her and I can't describe it it just felt right, what is that ineffable feeling?

You seem to presuppose that it cannot be both - or neither. Why?

You're right it could be both!
Because if I walk in front of a running train to save my loved ones, that would transcend an animal's need to survive. It's called altruism.

Does Darwinism account for altruism?

Do you mean "does each even have a cause" or "do events as a whole have a cause"? In either case the answer is going to depend on what a cause is. Big question.

Your doggon right it's a big question !

Alll events must have a cause. It's a kantian synthetic a priori judgment. A synthesis of two concepts: experience and a priori logic..

I don't have an answer but if you do I'd love to hear it????

I've no idea.


Does that mean that there's mystery in the world?

For mathematicians, yes

Are you sure? For example, should you run laws of gravity calculations in order to avoid falling objects in the jungle?

Does mathematical abstract ability confer any survival advantage?

Does music theory have any biological significance at all?

Do all events must have a cause?

True, false or something else?

Is love a phenomenon or is it all logical?

Do any of those suggest life might be a little mysterious?

Or are you saying you have life all figured out?

No I can't but you're supposed to know you are the atheist!

I'm just getting you back from trolling on my Donald Trump thread LOL

Anyway, try to answer that question about daydreaming while driving... ?

Conscious, subconscious or something else? Is the mind a mysterious phenomenon or is it all logical?

Amen sister soul!!

It has everything to do with logic. Can you define belief, or in your case disbelief?

Please tell me how the mind works like Daniel Dennett did...

I'll see how smart you are with this question:

If I'm driving my car daydreaming and crash and kill myself what caused me to do that?

Tick tock tick tock

TS denies subconsciousness.

He basically said when you're daydreaming while driving a car and crashing then killing yourself, that you do it consciously LoL

Go figure...

Don't take this the wrong way but you sound like a preacher!

Really sounds like a bunch of a priori logic with no experience behind any of that gibberish.

Sorry it's not very persuasive.

Try tackling some questions from the OP...

Hey bana welcome to the party glad you could join!

How did you arrive at your conclusion logically?

Just askin'

Why can't you tell me? Don't take this the wrong way but your atheism is supposed to know about consciousness, belief systems, so on and so forth right?

Again please don't take it the wrong way theses very simple Existential questions

Hey great question! No I don't know. Can you tell me why I don't?

No I don't think so, but what does make sense to me is that your , as you said " belief" , is untenable.

Or maybe ask Frank Zappa !!!

Okay please don't get mad but I don't understand.

What is a lack of belief in something? In cognition, what does that really mean?

Or in Philosophy, for example, is that an objective falsehood or a subjective falsehood or something else?

(Or if you prefer it's an epistemic question for you. )

Ok I think I'm following you. You said: Atheism is the position of not believing a god does exist.

So my question is what is the" belief " based upon?

My apologies guys. Seems like nobody wants to answer that simple question.

TS said : yes.

Dingo said : I don't know.

Now TS, why did you say yes?

(Dingo doesn't know so I have no questions for him other than one could reasonably inquire as to why he has a belief in atheism. And I use the word belief mainly because TS used the word when we were referring to cognition.)

So TS, why is this your belief ?

Guy's guys guys stop the political doublespeak:

Is the following statement true or false:

God does not exist.

The lack of answer suggests that you don't know, therefore, what we are left with is that atheism remains untenable.

Prove me wrong if you have the courage.

I'll try once again and ask you, is the following statement true or false:

1. God does not exist.

If you can't answer it, it's suggests atheism is untenable... prove me wrong.

I am not playing games and I am not into political doublespeak. Personal attacks won't intimidate me in searching for the truth.

If people are frustrated they have to ask themselves why they feel frustrated.

For the 20th time parse/answer this statement/ question,:

1. God does not exist ?

You're an atheist so please answer the question. Now let's wait and see who's playing games ?

I was speaking to the religious aspect (paradigms) of your concern.

So if you're saying it's all or nothing, or it's a or b , I of course would not agree with that dichotomization.

You know TS, I got to stop this is a bad addiction. At least for a while, I got to get some work done.

(George Harrison/Beatles said: a lot of things in life can wait but the search for God cannot wait.)

But I love talking with you guys about religion. But you also have to own up to the fact that you never answered a lot of my questions in a direct succinct fashion.

That's okay we'll live for another day

Yeah I get it... deplorable! But I would say don't throw the baby out with the bathwater either!

Hey come on now you know I was only kidding I love you guys!

Sure, from the OP, I suggested these so-called phenomenon of making judgements from intuition.

1. Every event must have a cause.

That's called a synthetic a priori judgment. It's a synthesis of two concepts: experience and innate or what psychologists would call, intrinsic intuition.

So we know the statement is partially true but we're not exactly certain because we have not experienced every event.

This is ( an example of) the nature of human wonderment. And is also absolutely necessary (synthetic propositions) in using logic to discover anything in physics.

That also goes back to my point about half-truths existing (if you painstakingly read further back in the thread).

And so once again we're seeing that life is not perfectly logical like the Atheist's politically posit.

Faith, hope and love... .

you cannot explain the rules of chess to a pigeon, that doesn't mean that you don't know them.

Sure...Kantian intuition... or some other Reformed Epistemology?

(Otherwise existential questions are mysteriously answerable.)

Good to see you own your condescending attitude!

Sure, I think it was Aristotle who said the greatest gift we can give to each other is to ' know thyself'.

Otherwise if I could read between the lines, it sounds like you are advocating atheism as a superior belief system of sorts. And that's perfectly fine.

It doesn't seem to provide the answers to basic existential questions though.

Crappy argument?

Hey happenstance welcome aboard!

What do you think about this simple question regarding atheism:

1. God does not exist.

Or since you mentioned a couple of those phenomena in your post:

1. Does music theory confer biological advantage?
2. Can you explain the feeling I have when I look at the color red?

Just askin'

Hahaha! I thought my questions were simple, but then again maybe they're not so simple after all LOL!

In any case, it doesn't seem like atheism has the answers...( to the deep questions of existence).

Surely you're not acquiescing to the fact that atheism is untenable are you?

LOL

God does not exist.

It's a simple question I think, answer it yes or no. Or something else?

If you're unwilling to answer it then your seemingly
not an atheist.

Accident: event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.

Is that true or false?

TS, that definition is from the dictionary.