Exactly, which is why, until technologies can answer the question we just wonder and think.

Yeah I love the idea of that. I don't know why people tend to assume humans simulating human life. I guess that is the easiest and most practical thing to jump to but I like to think about fun stuff simulating us.

Lucid dreams are people knowing they are dreaming. Also reality is subjective in this case. Our reality is real, to us. But there would be another reality that's real to the simulators or other simulations.

The number of parts is always greater than the number of simulations. — jkop

So you can't believe simulation theory because there will be more parts of a simulation that simulations themselves?

I was actually thinking about this more today and never realized the fact that humans could evolve by competing with each other.

Where does it end? Is it simulations all the way up? — Michael

It's fun to think about but I don't really like to ponder about what's past certain points. I see it as climbing a building. Climbing story by story is easier than trying to lasso the top of a skyscraper. If that makes sense.

Like I said, it seems you can't comprehend that there is more than one universe.

Look at nature. Everything acts with purpose. One known purpose of life is to survive and evolve. But why would life need to do that? Why would there need to be constant improvement? If life was just some random occurrence why does it evolve? If we look at different ecosystems there are many lifeforms that play specific roles and have a specific purpose to survive in their ecosystems. All life has a purpose.

Humans have the luxury of no longer needing to think about survival as much. Of course, not all humans have this luxury, but the ones that do keep evolving. If our purpose ended at trying to survive we wouldn't keep evolving. We have met the one known purpose of existence yet we continue to change. I interpret that information as another purpose. Why do we continue to change? For what purpose?

The reasons I think there is a creator based on all this is the fact that humans are so complex. I don't mean to suggest that I can't comprehend the fact that the human body and mind could be a random occurrence. But there is no reason for us to exist if life was a random occurrence. Life doesn't need to be as complex and imperfect as humans to exist. If life simply only needed to exist it would have been much more optimal to create something other than humans.

Life is worth living because all life has meaning.

I am asking questions to understand the point you're making. What you typed isn't coherent.

you don't embrace a sad life because the only goal of a human life is to be happy — Hamtatro

That's not true and that ideology is a cause of depression and the reason people can become suicidal.

if some people choose suicide its because they think that their overall life is going to be sad — Hamtatro

That's also not true. People choose suicide for many different reasons not just because they think their life will be sad. It's a lot more complex, suicide doesn't come from sadness it comes from pain. Pain which manifests in many forms. Trivializing suicide to, "just being sad" is an insult to people with suicidal tenancies.

Embracing sadness and depression doesn't mean living your life sad and depressed. If you accept sadness and depression and let the emotions do their job then you wont feel that way permanently. It's a matter of understanding feelings vs. fighting them. That concept isn't outlandish and is put into practice in counseling offices everywhere.

Ah yeah, I meant known by professionals, if you go to a psychologist saying you're struggling with depression they walk you through the steps of understanding it and one of those steps is acceptance. I guess I should have specified the non-layperson understanding.

So what you're saying is you can't comprehend the reasons for simulating the universe? Or can you not disconnect from the idea of more than one universe?

and again that's just one aspect of it. there are a lot of places you can take simulation theory. I kinda like to think that if we, in the 3rd dimension can create 2 dimensional simulations is it outlandish to assume 4 dimensional beings can make simulations of the 3rd dimension? Could or limits of physics (speed of light) be hardware restrictions of a 4 dimensional machine?

It's just fun to ask this kinda stuff to myself I guess :P

We wouldn't die, death is a part of the simulation. There would just be nothing and then something. If our existence is just code then it doesn't matter if there is a crash as long as our code doesn't read "Death" on each of us. But you're right, if the simulation worked that way time travel would technically be possible. It's possible that every instance is saved or only specific instances are saved in the simulation. the problem is harnessing the simulation itself to abuse it. If we do that, it could do two things,

1. Give us power to alter reality
2. Destroy everything possibly permanently.

The issue also is if you go back to a save point you would no longer be living within this simulation. The reason I think it's not possible is if you think about a video game. If you're playing a game with multiple saves, the only way to access the other saves is if you're playing on that save or give that save to someone else. Meaning, past points of our universe could be playing out from other simulators with different results and realities. But, for someone in a current ongoing game to try and go back into time (to a different save) would make them cease to exist. They could succeed but unless that save is active than they are gone until it's activated.

Of course there is something left, someone has to be running the simulation....

Well I believe there is a creator for the simple reason that life has a purpose. Of course, we don't know that purpose yet but all the evidence is there to make that assumption. I am not talking about religion creator here just a creator in general.

My ideas are more of fantasy because at this point all theories can sound like sci-fi. But I really like playing with the idea currently that the entire universe could cease to exist for years on end and we would never know. If you think about it, if reality is a simulation, the simulation could crash and everything would cease to be. But if the simulation has save points and is rebooted at the time it crashed we wouldn't notice anything. It's a fun idea to think about I guess.

you mean your penis doesn't bleed once a month and you get serious abdomen pains??

I have dealt with depression before and have gotten out of a deep depression that lasted over 7 years. What I have to say about this is you are basically saying what is already known. Most cases of depression are things that need to be understood to be dealt with. You have to understand there is a problem before you can fix it. Accepting depression is basically a way of understanding it. Not running away from the emotions and instead analyzing them is you can come to understand what the cause of your depression is and therefore fixing it.


I have a personality disorder so when I did have to go to a psychologist to help me with my depression but he simply gave me knowledge I didn't know. I didn't know I had a personality disorder and he is the one who brought it up and made my PD clear. The knowledge of my PD and affects of it on myself is what helped me with my depression. It didn't cure me of depression because, like you said, it's a natural state. It can only be suppressed or managed. I have learned to manage it well.


What I will say is this. You shouldn't fight depression. Human emotions are something that should be valued equally. Depression may not feel well but trying to fight your feelings will feel even worse. Going out of your way to not experience sadness or pain will only make sadness and pain that much worse. You should openly and freely accept all emotions that come your way. Depression can affect us on a physical level and it's important to know why you feel the way you do. Take time to relax and learn to think deeply about yourself and your feelings. It may not "cure" you but it will help you immensely. Depression isn't the enemy, fighting it is.

Wouldn't it be safe to say that the answer to this is "yes and no" Most animals have one thing in common, the brain. Although they vary from animal to animal we humans know what the brain is capable of. At a certain state of development I don't see why it should be questioned if an animal can fear death. It's not so much a question of "animals" but more of a question of "at what point in the development of a brain does this become noticeable" At least that's how I see it.