Are the laws of nature irreducible?
When Davies says there is an asymmetry, he is thinking of the laws as being prescriptive, rather than descriptive.
— andrewk
Davies observes that
“physical processes, however violent or complex, are thought to have absolutely no effect on the laws” and from this he concludes that
“… the laws do not depend on physical processes.” I agree with you that this seems to imply that Davies is thinking of the laws as being prescriptive.
The "laws of nature" seem to be derived from observing many instances of observation from astrophysicists observing the cosmos to nuclear physicists studying sub-atomic particles, and others studying everything in between. So, the laws of nature are descriptive.
— Bitter Crank
If laws are indeed Descriptive, and processes affect the laws, then we cannot explain the existence of e.g. an immutable gravitational constant. If a certain gravitational value is produced by 2035 bosons, then another gravitational value would be produced by 1160 bosons.
The way I would look at it is that the fundamental laws describe mathematical symmetries - which are in effect the limits on un-lawfulness. With a circle, for example, disorder can do its damnedest - spin the circle at any direction at any speed - and the circle will still look unruffledly the same. All that disordering has no real effect as the very form of the circle is indifferent to every kind of action, or attempt to break its symmetry.
— apokrisis
I like your circle metaphor. However, how does one get from “unlawfulness” to a (perfect) circle?
Also I don’t see how the circle metaphor elucidates the existence of various
fundamental constants, which could have been very different; see the multiverse hypothesis. IOWs in many cases the existence of limits (a la the circle form) is not apparent.