To insist on zero civilian deaths — BitconnectCarlos

Nope. Some is expected. 10,000 children? No.

Otherwise we have what the something like the OP is and claims to be against, just a bunch of statements. — Sir2u

So at first I thought you were joking— now I realize you’re exactly the kind of goofball I was talking about. You actually come here and say “saying that’s not an argument is annoying when it’s misused is not an argument.”

Actually, it is. Yes, it’s also a rant post, but there are reasons given: people improperly use the phrase for anything they don’t understand or don’t agree with, basically to sound smart. I’ve encountered it many times. When people do that, it’s annoying. That’s my “argument.” It’s not word salad, and it’s not ONLY “I hate when people say xyz.”

Not more complicated than that. You seem to be struggling with it, but it’s likely because you often employ the phrase yourself and take offense to the OP. Too bad. Don’t like it, feel free to fuck off.

There are 400 million+ guns in America. It's easy for criminals to get their hands on one. Law-abiding citizens should have access to guns to counter the threat and that requires gun manufacturers. — RogueAI

Was this copy-and-pasted from the NRA?

I invite you to be the very first to build the bridge that connects the 2A with any modern interpretation of it. — tim wood

This is interesting…

I think that's why Bibi's initial reaction to the attack was so extreme. This was certainly no blessing. — Tzeentch

A blessing for their long-sought desire. But the reality is clearly different, yes. Like making themselves a pariah.

Did you hear about the 14 year Israeli shepherd boy abducted and murdered in the West Bank yesterday? — BitconnectCarlos

Hey did you hear about the 10,000 children murdered the past few months? Oh yeah, you only care when it’s an Israeli kid. :up:

You have no good response to this one. — BitconnectCarlos

:lol: Delusional, as always. But great job plugging your ears along with your eyes.

Are you an American, Mikie? Would you be a fair target for a terrorist angry at America's actions? — BitconnectCarlos

No, see I’m the one against killing innocent civilians.

You’re in favor of it— provided, of course, it’s done with good intentions.

It's not a proxy war to them — ssu

I’m sure the Greek communists didn’t think so either. Or the Vietnamese. So what?

For me the enemy is always the enemy combatants, fighters or servicemen. Legal or illegal. Not the civilians. — ssu

True, but Israel can’t always be sure. I think their attitude is exactly the one that’s been adopted for decades: the entire population is the enemy. No need to question why — like the fact that Gaza is a concentration camp. That’s irrelevant history.

October 7th was a blessing for Likud. It finally provided them with a reaction that was hideous enough to use as pretext for their long-desired ethnic cleansing. So it goes.

We smash you over the head for decades, and now we’re going to murder you for lashing out. Lashing out with the wrong intentions in your heart is immoral, after all. Only Israel knows how to APPROPRIATELY murder babies.

Avoid ultra processed food at all costs. — Christoffer

:up:

What counts as ultra-processed?

Finally got it down to a decent routine. Here’s my current schedule (in case you want to doze off):

(A) Mondays:

- squats
- military press
- rows
- dynamic lunges

Tuesday:

- carries
- core workout
- HIIT training

(B) wednesday:

- Deadlifts
- bench press
- static lunges
- pullups (or lat pulldowns)

Thursday: same as Tuesday

Friday: same as Monday.

SAT and SUN: Rest days.

I rotate so that I do B twice a week and then back to A and so on.

It SUCKS! But it’s been worthwhile

With you, nothing is certain even with the emoji. — L'éléphant

I’m a volatile one, I admit.

The goofy second amendment, which was only re-interpreted to mean what we think it always has in 2008, should be abolished.

Gun manufacturers, their lobby, their propaganda, and the dupes that fall for it, have done enough damage and killed enough children. In a rational society they’d be in prison, or worse. May they rot in hell.

I mean, I did add that winking emoji.

Let’s take the absurd number of Hamas fighters killed at face value. 40,000 - 13,000. I’m no math genius, but 27,000 more to go?

At this rate, given that the total number of innocents dead is probably closer to 100,000 or more, looks like Israel’s goal of ethnic cleansing will be seen through to the very end, international condemnation be damned.

They deserve to be a pariah at this point. Even the dopey US — the provider of the weapons — is slowly waking up thanks to the breaking away from mainstream media propaganda.

Just fucking with you.

:yawn:

Don’t overthink it. This is an opinion piece. Or better: a rant piece in which I express my annoyance at stupid bullshit.

Russia proposed to give back all the territory they conquered during the invasion in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality. It's the West who blocked that deal. The Ukrainian delegation put its signature under it, whether you like it or not.

The "Russian territorial greed" narrative is swept off the table, and so is the narrative that the West is preoccupied in any way with the well-being of Ukraine. — Tzeentch

:up:

I heard Mitt Romney say that if Putin isn’t stopped he’ll attack NATO counties and try to conquer all of Eastern Europe. :lol:

It’s just silly at this point. Ukraine will lose this proxy war, but hopefully not many more lives will have to be sacrificed.

Biden Administration Raises Costs to Drill and Mine on Public Lands

For the first time since 1920, the government has raised the rates that companies pay. The fossil fuel industry says it will hurt the economy.

About time.

Any time the fossil fuel industry says something will “hurt the economy,” what they mean is: now we’ll have to gouge consumers even more to maintain our returns for our billionaire masters.

Supporters say the changes announced Friday will better compensate taxpayers for fossil fuel extraction on federal lands, and that they will prevent taxpayers from footing the bill for cleanup of abandoned oil and gas wells. After ending their drilling operations or going out of business, fossil fuel companies have walked away from thousands of wells, leaving the sites leaking greenhouse gases and toxic substances such as arsenic and benzene.

The bipartisan infrastructure law of 2021 provided a record $4.7 billion for states’ efforts to plug these “orphan” wells. But the federal funding may make only a small dent in the problem, with some experts estimating that there could be millions of undiscovered orphan wells across the country.

“There are costs of doing business, and the industry should shoulder the costs of cleanup for their operations,” said Autumn Hanna, vice president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group. “They’re extracting oil and gas from public lands for their own profit, and those resources are owned by taxpayers, who should not be left to shoulder the cleanup costs themselves.”

Kate Groetzinger, communications manager at the Center for Western Priorities, a conservation group, said the changes are “only fair” after the country’s largest oil and gas companies reported their biggest annual profits in a decade last year. ExxonMobil reported $36 billion in earnings, while Chevron netted $21.4 billion.

"That's begging the question." — Vera Mont

Oh god, yes. I nearly forgot about that one. How many people who use “begging the question” actually know what it means? Maybe 10%, in my experience. The one’s who do understand it almost never use it.

I think people just like trotting out terms they think come from “philosophy.” About the only thing that occurs regularly is strawmaning, which isn’t so complicated.

“We don’t pay mooks.”

If you've read The Republic, how did you approach it? — dani

When I first read it, I was thinking it wouldn’t live up to the hype. But I was wrong — it really is important. It shouldn’t be intimidating, but I can understand why it would be, given — again —the way it’s been built up.

I’ve re-read it a few times and I also remember liking Will Durant’s synopsis of it. Happy reading!

And just how many persons from 1967 would know many from that list? — ssu

I’ve gradually added to the list. It made more sense in the original list. But good point.

Madonna, 122 years. — ssu

Hopefully not. Good lord.

:scream:

There is nothing wrong with pointing out a fallacy or saying "that's not an argument" so long as they at least offer an explanation for their comments. — L'éléphant

Sorry, but simply saying there is nothing wrong with it is not an argument.

:wink:

I hope you’re right. I’m not so convinced about the senate though.

When two climate geniuses agree, you know you’re on the right track. :victory:

That’s not an argument.

People are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to transition away from fossil fuels. — RogueAI

People make sacrifices all the time, especially for the oil industry. Whether they know it or not. The assessment that everyone needs to “sacrifice” for a green transition in the first place is silly — but even if true, since we all do it all the time anyway, it’s really yet another way of justifying the status quo. “Nothing can be done— the people don’t want to sacrifice!”

No thanks. If you feel nothing can be done, then go on doing nothing.

We're going to have to either hope for some tech miracle, hope the Earth is self-regulating in some way as to prevent warming from getting too bad, or geo-engineering our way out of it. — RogueAI

Yes, because your expert knowledge on this issue is definitely worth paying attention to. :up:

But really this is just given to divert attention and responsibility from Gaza. “But hey, what about all the OTHER bad things happening in the world?” — Mikie

So U.S. consumers aren't supporting China when they buy hundreds of billions of cheap Chinese crap every year? — RogueAI

:ok:

Perfection.

People aren't willing to make the sacrifices necessary for real solutions. — RogueAI

Right, so it’s hopeless. Cool analysis. Bye.

aspects of China — Mikie

:up: Not comparable. China isn’t murdering thousands with US support /weapons.

Still should be paid attention to and condemned.

But really this is just given to divert attention and responsibility from Gaza. “But hey, what about all the OTHER bad things happening in the world?”

Pretty pathetic, really.

Question - would you be upset if Israel killed 15k Palestinians but they were all Hamas? What are your thoughts on the dead Hamas fighters? — Moses

If they were all Hamas fighters who engaged in murder on October 7th? I wouldn’t be upset, no. It wouldn’t change the causes of those actions, however.

Also what do you think about the much larger death tolls elsewhere in the world that receive virtually zero attention and zero mass protests? — Moses

Like what, exactly? Because I see nothing comparable to what Israel is doing. If you look at Sudan, or Congo, or Haiti, or aspects of China/India/Central America, or Yemen, or repression in Saudi Arabia, etc., there’s a lot we should be paying attention to.

The level of US involvement is what especially motivates me, however — as it’s the country I live in and can perhaps mildly influence. They’re currently providing the weapons and financial support that’s contributing to this genocide. I want that to stop, at a minimum.

The latest from our resident climate denial propagandist:

Here are some interesting comments about School Strike for Climate. — Agree-to-Disagree

Before even reading, I’m thinking to myself “Gee, I wonder if these ‘interesting comments’ will have a negative slant?”

Demanding that governments damage their economies in the name of climate science — Agree-to-Disagree

:lol: What complete bullshit.

The school strikes are heroic and inspirational, climate denial propaganda notwithstanding.

Thousands more dead, protests in Israel itself, and the world easily recognizing how horrid this genocide really is…

And through it all, the apologists on this thread keep fighting the good fight. Because “hamas.” Oh how complicated it all is!

Except when sub-humans do things. That’s easy to condemn, because they have bad intentions.

Unlike real, sophisticated humans, who might kill 100 times more babies, but have very good intentions. Also “Human shields” and so forth. Nothing to condemn there.

I prefer analysis, explanation, analogy, illustration, even pontification. — unenlightened

You excel at 1/5th of those! :wink:

Speaking of imbeciles. :lol:

Edit: sorry, that was mean. I’ll just put you on the ignore list— have fun with your future Tweets. Bye!

:rofl: Too bad for me!

Oh, and to clarify:

An argument is the presenting of reasons/evidence for a claim or conclusion. Really that simple.

Sorry, that’s “not an argument.” :rofl: Too bad for you!

Simply stating Biden is better than Trump on all issues — boethius

So you’re just in imbecile? Got it. My bad for engaging. Have fun with your straw men. Bye.