• Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I believe them over the ramblings of an internet dude. Especially when the “evidence” is so easily reduced to the crap it is.

    But it’s fun to watch you pick and choose when it’s convenient. Kinda like Trump and polls: when they show him ahead, they’re accurate. If not, rigged.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Also forgotten: in the US 2020 election, there was split voting. In Maine, for example, Biden won the presidency— while Susan Collins, a republican, was re-elected in the senate.

    There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. It’s so minuscule it’s barely worth mentioning.

    All that’s left is the feelings of those who actually listen to Trump’s insane ramblings. “Oh look, more mail in votes went for Biden— isn’t THAT fishy?”

    It’d be even funnier if it weren’t so damn pathetic.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Amazing! And thank you for showing your evidences and proofs.javi2541997

    Lol.

    It’s amazing people can be such complete dupes.
  • Climate change denial
    Chomsky says it best:

    Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?

    Not that I’m aware of. Is the Republican organisation - I hesitate to call it a party - committed to that? Overwhelmingly. There isn’t even any question about it.

    […]

    We’re going to maximise the use of fossil fuels - could carry us past the tipping point. We’re not going to provide funding for - as committed in Paris, to developing countries that are trying to do something about the climate problems. We’re going to dismantle regulations that retard the impact, the devastating impact, of production of carbon dioxide and, in fact, other dangerous gases - methane, others.

    Not hard to see. Unless of course you deny what scientists are telling us because they’re bought off… or part of an elaborate conspiracy…or pushing an “official narrative” (like reading thermometers).

    But aside from that kind of idiocy, it’s easy to acknowledge.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Watching Trump cultists try desperately to prove the election was stolen is very entertaining. And cringe-y.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    But at the time of the pause 78% of the total vote had been counted already in Pennsylvania, meaning over half the mail in ballots had already been counted and the counting up to the moment of the pause had revealed no sudden shifts either way.yebiga

    The mail in ballots were breaking for Biden the entire time. It was more pronounced at the end, since they were the only ones remaining. It was also required that they not be counted until Election Day, so were bound to be slower.

    The odds of this happening in one state is akin to winning the lottery - so it's possible.
    For this to occur in 4 states is like winning the lottery four weeks in a row with the same numbers.
    yebiga

    Why are you making things up?

    This was talked about and predicted months in advance: it would take longer to count the mail ballots. They would be overwhelmingly Democratic— but that’s Trump’s fault. He was telling his supporters to vote in person.

    So the odds of WHAT happening, exactly? The most obvious thing in the world? That’s hardly like winning the lottery.
  • Walking & Thinking


    Wow— very well thought out and elaborate. Thanks Praxis!



    Definitely. I try to walk every day. The best thoughts come in the forest though. And I don’t always have access to it.
  • Climate change denial
    That's over the top.Merkwurdichliebe

    No, it isn’t.
  • Climate change denial
    DeSantis just laid out HIS solutions to global warming:

    In a lengthy, six-pronged policy outline, Mr. DeSantis promised to remove subsidies for electric vehicles, take the U.S. out of global climate agreements — including the Paris accords — and cancel net-zero emission promises. He also vowed to increase American oil and natural gas production and “replace the phrase climate change with energy dominance” in policy guidance.

    This is why Republicans are the most dangerous party in history.

    Let’s not only do nothing about climate change — let’s cancel any effort to do so, make the problem even worse, and remove all reference to it.

    Sick, insane people.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/us/politics/desantis-climate-energy-biden.html
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Trump says for years he won’t accept the results of an election unless he wins.

    He loses fair and square.

    Then — surprise — refuses to accept the outcome and tries to literally overturn the election. The justification is irrelevant — it could have been anything. Maybe aliens came down from the moon and rigged the numbers. Of course there’s no evidence for any of it. A child could understand this.

    Of course these crazy ramblings and predictable excuses for being a loser had their time in court (laughably), and of course 60+ were thrown out by Republican and Democrat appointed judges.

    That brings us to today, where Trump is being held accountable. Turns out you can’t overturn the results just because they hurt your ego.

    Maybe one day we’ll get to the bottom of the Moon People stealing the election though. Who knows. :roll:
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)
    Yawn. Trump is a criminal and tried to overthrow an election. May he drop dead soon.

    Fun to watch his few sycophants here playing three card monty with the truth.
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)
    For example, what's the origin of the internet?ssu

    Came out of defense department research. Government funded— As were most computer technologies. Which can then be said to be the product of “entrepreneurs” like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Complete mythology and hero worship.

    With a sector that isn't dominated by large companies you find less unions.ssu

    Less need for unions at a mom and pop store. But no one is talking about small businesses. They’re not the issue. Why you want to make them the issue is a mystery.
  • Climate change denial
    Conspiracy theorists will believe anything except the one conspiracy that is actually happening - that the fossil fuel industry has been lying about knowingly killing us all for half a century, & our governments are still funding them to the tune of $13,000,000 every minute.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances
    Oh I see what happened. Didn’t mean to tag you @Amity. Corrected.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances


    Just being silly. Thought it was obvious— perhaps it wasn’t.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances



    Try and get along guys. No need to loose the plot.
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)


    Notice you had to go back 100+ years ago.
  • Coronavirus


    People get “cramped” about having to hear nonsense being repeated over and over again.

    You and your two buddies are just ignorant and irritating. But by all means make up an elaborate story about it — because it can’t be as simple as that.
  • A List of Intense Annoyances
    It's not nearly as intense, however, as using 'I' as object of a preposition.Vera Mont

    Agreed. This is very irritating for you and I.



    :clap:
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)
    a new industry is created by inventors and entrepreneurs in garagesssu

    Do people still believe this nonsense? Good god.
  • Climate change denial


    It didn’t originate with Marcuse. You made that up. Which proves my point about denialist imbeciles.
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)
    But the work of building workers’ organization and power stays the same. By now, we should all have learned that a toothless “order to bargain” with no penalties results in no union contract unless and until the workers create a crisis for their employer. Expecting lawyers, rules, legal decisions, or another thumbs-up from the legal system will undo grotesque inequality by restoring high unionization rates and then family-supporting wages under union contracts is like hoping that a congressional inquiry—or a prosecutor—will stop Trump and the movement he’s created. One thing and one thing only has the ability to force employers to share their wealth, and that is when workers have built the power to be able to create a crisis so great that an employer cannot continue what they’re doing, and have no choice but to surrender power and money.
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)
    Another excellent article by McAlevey:

    A new Gallup poll shows overwhelming support for workers who are challenging the unfettered power and greed of the corporate elite. Film and television writers demanding justice from the Hollywood and Silicon Valley billionaires, now heading into a fourth month of their strike, enjoy 72 percent support from everyday people (versus only 19 percent supporting the employers). For the autoworkers fighting to reclaim fair compensation for all their members—not to mention reining in the out-of-control work regimes imposed by the Big Three auto CEOs and fighting to wrest back the right to a life outside of work—an eye-popping three in four Americans stand with the workers. Most Americans—77 percent—now believe unions are good for their members (up 11 percent since 2009), with 61 percent saying unions are good for the economy and 57 percent saying unions are helpful to the companies for whom they work. That’s the general public—not Democrats, not union members.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/society/nlrb-joy-silk-union-recognition/

    Setting aside the byzantine technicalities of why the NLRB did away with Joy Silk in 1969, it’s widely understood that its abandonment was one of several major factors thwarting workers from winning unionization over the past 50-plus years. Other key factors, of course, included the explosion of professional union-busting firms; a bipartisan effort to strategically offshore the most heavily unionized sectors of the US workforce in the 1970s and ’80s under the guise of “trade liberalization,” making plant closures seem more common than new union local certifications; and finally, and most importantly, many union leaders’ simply giving up the hard work of building supermajority worker support to unionize and act collectively.
  • What are you listening to right now?
    What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy.

    Still love these guys.

  • A List of Intense Annoyances
    Just thought of another one:

    - The apparently millions of people, including those who know how to spell other words quite well, who constantly spell LOSE wrong. The way it actually gets spelled? “LOOSE.”

    Good god that’s maddening. How can you go decades and not know how this is spelled?

    What’s funny is that it never gets auto-corrected because “loose” is, of course, a word.

    “Win or loose, it’s gonna be a great game.” Oh? FUCK you!

    Sorry to LOOSE my temper.
  • Coronavirus
    There's nothing so simplistic as believing reality begets only one interpretation.Tzeentch

    I can see why you'd think that, with the exceptions being...everything I've ever written.

    I'm quite aware it's an interpretation. Not every interpretation is a serious one. Some are just stupid and simplistic.

    There are some interesting takes about the virus and the vaccines. Some have changed my mind. When people point to ignoramuses and frauds -- like RFK JR -- regarding this issue, I think it's safe to conclude they're not serious.
  • There is no meaning of life


    I saw that too. I think at this point there's some cause for concern, given there's almost no engagement once a post is made. I'll raise the issue with other mods.
  • Coronavirus
    No, you rather not figure things out for yourself and prefer to listen to some dipshit on youtube because it fits your preconceived notion of bad government.Benkei

    Bingo. :up:

    Everything ultimately comes back to this stupid, simplistic, perception-warping belief.
  • There is no meaning of life
    There is no meaning of life.niki wonoto

    There is for me. But thank you for revealing your own psychological state.
  • Climate change denial


    Alien lizards. Yes. Now at least you’re making sense.

    Perfect for the Flintstones and Asterix and Obeliskunenlightened

    Lol. It’s gonna be great. CO2 is good for plants anyway so…no worries.
  • Climate change denial
    Nothing exposes the new age of information silos and “do your own research” attitudes as the ridiculous frauds they are like the actual sciences.

    In other areas, like art and history and politics— and even philosophy— one can get away with a lot of off-the-cuff, armchair opining. It’s sometimes hard to tell who’s a moron.

    That’s why I like to read the “hot takes” on climate. People get used to having an opinion on everything— and getting away with knowing nothing. Like winging it on a test and still getting a passing grade. But with climate change, or evolutionary biology, or civil engineering, or geology, or astrophysics — it’s so incredibly easy to sort out its like a sieve. Very useful.

    Anyway— I point it out because it amounts to less time wasted on imbeciles when they go to post on other threads. In this case I recommend everyone read the climate change thread occasionally, to remove all doubt about one’s interlocutors.
  • Climate change denial


    Just ignore those who have no interest in learning anything. Pat them on the head and reassure them everything will be fine. It’s beneficial…It’s just a narrative…it’ll be okay in 2000 years; whatever it is. Go with it.


    Back in the real world:

    NASA Announces Summer 2023 Hottest on Record

    This new record comes as exceptional heat swept across much of the world, exacerbating deadly wildfires in Canada and Hawaii, and searing heat waves in South America, Japan, Europe, and the U.S., while likely contributing to severe rainfall in Italy, Greece, and Central Europe.
  • Donald Trump (All General Trump Conversations Here)


    I don’t take it that seriously. It’s awful, of course, that one party has turned fascist, but those of us who pay attention to politics or current affairs sometimes forget that a majority of people don’t care, don’t vote, and aren’t interested.

    There will be no civil war. There will be swings of extremism—but the vast majority of people aren’t extremists and don’t like all the fighting. Even most Republicans.
  • The US Labor Movement (General Topic)
    Railworkers, UPS workers, actors/writers, and now autoworkers.

    An interesting and pertinent question raised by NY times columnist Peter Coy:

    In a contract negotiation such as this involving powerful parties that need each other, there is no one clearly correct outcome. Both labor and management gain immensely from their partnership. The fight is over how to divide the value that they jointly create. It would seem unfair for either the companies or the workers to extract 100 percent of it. But what’s the right split? Is it 50-50? And how would you measure such a split, anyway?

    This strikes me as getting at something really important (pun intended there).

    It’s not about making everything equal. It’s about the “reasonable split.” 90+% of profits go to shareholders. The CEO to median worker ratio has skyrocketed, but I usually take this to be a stand-in for shareholders, since CEOs are usually compensated through stocks and so are major shareholders themselves (this incentivizing robbing more from labor).

    90% to shareholders is not a reasonable split. 350-to-1 isn’t a reasonable split.

    There’s been times in this country where things were much more egalitarian. We don’t even have to compare ourselves to other countries. We can go back to that. It was healthier for companies, as well as workers and society writ large.
  • Coronavirus


    The stupidity of the anti-vax movement emerges yet again. Eventually we should prosecute these people for child endangerment— or at the very least not allow them to infect others.

    Stupidity should have consequences beyond natural consequences.
  • The Problem of Universals, Abstract Objects, and Generalizations in Politics
    I am homeless, the Government must house me!’ and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. — Margaret Thatcher

    Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem. — Reagan

    The politics comes first; the plutocrat-selected “philosophy” comes later. Make no mistake.

    It comes from the top and inevitably trickles down, until it eventually reaches the sad postings of little state apologists like Nos.
  • Climate change denial


    :lol: :up:

    I like this one. Apropos of the recent level of participants in this thread:



    “Some people say global warming is real — and then the really smart people, they know it’s a ruse invented by the Illuminati.”
  • Climate change denial


    Let climate deniers be climate deniers. The religion belongs to them. The analysis is easy, and requires nothing but conspiracies and cheap skepticism. This way they don’t have to bother listening to people who spend their lives to the subject — or really learn anything at all. Because that requires effort. Creationists are on the same level— same arguments, in fact.

    It’s also hilarious watching them devolve into blithering imbeciles when their feeble accusations are put to the most mild scrutiny.

    I think the best thing to do from this point on is ignore them…or respond with satire (which they won’t notice). You do you, of course.



    :up:
  • Climate change denial


    Exactly— forget the evidence, and forget understanding the science. Just apply said analysis and presto— sit back and feel good about yourself.

    I myself like to go to universities and talk about how physicists are buying into the official narrative of gravity.

    Evolutionist aren't attemptingMerkwurdichliebe

    Creationists would disagree. Go talk to one— you’ll fit right in.