That's where science comes in. Scientists don't have much patients for philosophical wordplay, they rather have you do an experiment.

You couldn't be more right! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_one_hand

But it does also play into belief versus knowledge and certainty, — Marchesk

Those are all very tricky concepts. :rofl:

I think this is the key part:

Thus your friend McGillicuddy, who knows your situation, can say truly of you, “It’s raining, but MacIntosh doesn’t believe it is.” But if you, MacIntosh, were to say exactly the same thing to McGillicuddy—“It’s raining, but I don’t believe it is”—your friend would rightly think you’d lost your mind. Why, then, is the second sentence absurd? As G.E. Moore put it, “Why is it absurd for me to say something true about myself?” — Wheatley

I think there's a slight of hand here: First it asks you why the sentence is absurd, then it asks you why something that you do is absurd.

I refer to my previous post.

I rather somebody else discuss this with you, it's not personal.

I don't get it. I leave this to somebody else.

but that's because they don't know it's raining. — Marchesk

Are you sure McGillicuddy doesn't know it is raining? I don't think that is clear.

Only to a fair god and morally-minded people. — Lida Rose

God is not fair get used to it!

Why can't god be an immoral slave owner (the god of Abraham does condone slavery) who delights in infecting children with bone cancer? After all, as an omniscient and omnipotent being the god of Abraham certainly has the power to foresee such an affliction and prevent it. — Lida Rose

Clearly God believes pain and misery is extremely beneficial to mankind.

Where do you place (metaphorically or otherwise) your thoughts on this sentence now? Is it not in your mind? Where does that thought occur? — David Mo

Somewhere between my mind and my brain. On the borderline.

The borderline between my mind and my brain.

Whenever you define the mind, you define the contents, never the container. — David Mo

We talk about the contents of the mind in a metaphorical sense, but they aren't real stuff. I say the mind is empty.

And I think the container metaphor is wrong. I say the mind is like the air in a basketball, and a basketball isn't a container.

Why can't consciousness be empty then?

I believe consciousness is like the air in a basketball.

If you separate it from the experiences, emotions and thoughts. It's nothing, apart from this. — David Mo

I believe this is a misconception. Conscious beings have experiences, it's not a matter of being attached to them. Experience is not passive, it's a process, an activity.

What is consciousness then? If you introspect into your consciousness you will find experiences and emotions. Nothing more. Remove the experiences and emotions and your consciousness will be empty. — David Mo

Consciousness is emptiness! A very strange kind of emptiness.

I believe humanity is part of the flora and fauna of the planet, is a complex biological system — Pop

That's better. :wink:

What i posit is highly speculative, and If it dose not resonate with your understanding, i can respect that you wont believe it :) — Pop

Nothing wrong with speculation. I just get annoyed with all the spooky language, especially when many of us don't know what you mean. But sure it's just me, I don't see anyone else getting annoyed.

Carry on! :victory:

You will accept, I'm sure that rocks are entangled, integrated , and unified. — Pop

I'm not a mineralogist.

The issue is that consciousness is part of the fabric of the universe, so it should be distributed in some way throughout the universe. — Pop

You make it sound like consciousness is stuff, and I don't believe that consciousness can be accurately be described as "stuff". It doesn't matter how spooky you describe the "stuff", I still don't think it is conscious.

Ecologists are describing plant consciousness. — Pop

Put what do mineralogist say about rocks?

Thus a rock would be conscious — Pop

I would bet all my money that rocks are not conscious.

integrated and entangled information! — Pop

I bet no one here (including me) knows what "integrated and entangled information" is. :lol:

If consciousness is not strictly materialist in origin- being nothing more than a complex product of chemical reactions and electrical impulses of cells, then why can we completely alter the state of consciousness/our experience with chemicals, drugs or neurotransmitters. — Benj96

Consciousness is what's in between all the brain stuff. Think of consciousness as the "other side", the side that is sealed off by matter in the brain. I believe the brain created a "private zone", and that's where you exist, your thoughts, feelings, emotions, perceptions (and all the other goodies).

Ideas to consider: The binding problem, and the privacy of consciousness.

Okay, perhaps the earth stays forever. Even if Eve caused eternal damage by eating a apple, I don't think any christian would say that Eve is spending an eternity in hell.

This question is for Christians: Can you name a sin that would cause eternal damage warranting an eternity in hell?

Doesn’t the idea of “original sin” contradict this? Eve’s sin eternally damaged the world. — Pinprick

Is the world eternal?

Luck is never on your side.

You're much better than most people, people who are kept on the straight and narrow only because of fear. — TheMadFool

I'm also humble.

That said, try not to be evil. — TheMadFool

I'll try, but evil feels so good! :death:

Hence, being immoral in spite of god's moral teachings is to completely disregard "lighter" forms of punishment that takes into account innocence. What else does a person who's immoral post-god deserve but the harshest of punishment? Eternal damnation? — TheMadFool

I'm super evil and I'm even gonna disregard eternal damnation. Not even eternal damnation can stop my evil! :naughty:

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/heaven-and-hell/why-is-hell-eternal.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CjSy9CWEeU

:up:

My body loves her soul, and my soul loves her body. :love:

A belief is a propositional attitude. — Banno

A belief is simply taking a proposition seriously. Lose of belief results in laughter.

'merica.

If you want to phrase it philosophically it would be more like "Is religion on the whole positive or negative for mankind?" — Olivier5

Perhaps another time. The quarantine is getting to me.

That makes sense.

That's not my problem. I believe "annoying" is accurate, and it doesn't matter how vulgar you think that word is.

Who decides what is philosophy and what is not philosophy? — Wheatley

I already know the answer. Anything that isn't academic philosophy is not philosophy.

Who decides what is philosophy and what is not philosophy?

I misread.

Then do we really have empathy, when we cannot empathize with anyone but those who are exactly like us? — Carekess observations

I cannot answer that question.

All humans are 99.9 identical at the dna level. We are more alike than society would have us believe.

However, we should clarify what we mean by "fundamentally". For example, can an extrovert empathize with an introvert? Can an able person empathize with with someone with disability? Can a heterogeneous empathize with a queer? — Carekess observations

Not really.

Of course, if you mean more like casual everyday situations then sure, it's far easier to put myself in the shoes of someone with empathy than a psychopath, although in neither case I'll never know for sure if I got it right. — zookeeper

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

I guess it depends on the type of person you are. An innocent person can never know what it's like to be a murderer no matter how much she studies them.

I'd feel bad for a psychopath being tortured, for instance, and if someone wouldn't then I'd consider them to be somewhat akin to a psychopath themselves. — zookeeper

You feel bad that a human is being tortured, but do you feel bad for the psychopath personally?