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  • Accusations of Obscurity
    ↪Wheatley If memory serves it's in the first few pages of the Open Society and its Enemies. — Olivier5
    I'll take your word for it.
  • YHWH & Language
    I ancient Hebrew and Aramaic vowels are not shown in the lettering. It's assumed that the reader can decipher the vowel sounds on their own.
  • YHWH & Language
    From the little that I know, some ancient languages (Egyptian and the Semitic language family), the written words generally are missing vowels. — TheMadFool
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niqqud
  • Accusations of Obscurity
    ↪Olivier5

    I couldn't find that quote...
  • Accusations of Obscurity
    Clear, as defined by Popper himself, is equivalent to 'not using more complex a language than the problem at hand requires'. — Olivier5
    That's actually Einstein. :roll:

    "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.”
  • When Alan Turing and Ludwig Wittgenstein Discussed the Liar Paradox
    Life is too short, and I tend to find SEP unreliable. — Olivier5
    What an absurd proposition. :eyes:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    ↪Varde
    :victory:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    I like the businessman in political power, perhaps he'll do a good job. — Varde
    That's pretty much how it works here in America. Government representing special interest groups insurance companies and big business. Nevermind the people, we fend for ourselves.

    Not a very strong democracy, imo.
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?

  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    we're emotional on a topic — Manuel
    I guess that explains the angry diatribe against US presidents in the OP. :gasp:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    No I mean, read the four words prior — Manuel
    Your not the first person here to tell me what to read. :zip:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    That is emphatically not what I said. — Manuel
    Okay, but i am saying that the EU is important for world peace. Sorry for butting into your conversation. :sad:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    I'm not saying EU is ALL bad. Not having to carry passports over borders, being able to move freely and having a common currency is comfortable and good. — Manuel
    Would rather have a divided Europe, keeping in mind recent, twentieth century history with world war 1 and world war 2? A unified Europe is much better for world peace.
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    ↪Benkei
    What about the pandemic, did the member states help each other out? — Manuel
    I see it makes more sense now. :smile:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    Did the EU function well in the 2009 crisis? — Manuel
    At the end of the day, the EU functioned way better than the UK — Benkei
    2009, there was no Brexit yet! I rest my case. :cool:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    EU functioned way better than the UK — Benkei
    Am I missing something? Isn't the UK part of the EU??
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    The rating is given out of ten with eight and above ranking as "full democracy", six to eight as "flawed democracy", four to six as "hybrid regime" and zero to four as "authoritarian regime".
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    Flawed democracies in the EU:
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Estonia
    France
    Greece
    Italy
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Malta
    Portugal
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    — Benkei
    I found that information here. :chin:
    https://www.euronews.com/2018/02/01/less-than-half-of-eu-countries-are-fully-democratic-report

    Full Democracies

    Sweden

    Denmark

    Ireland

    Finland

    Netherlands

    Luxembourg

    Germany

    United Kingdom

    Austria

    Malta

    Spain
  • Accusations of Obscurity
    You are much, much, much too kind to and understanding of most philosophers. — T Clark
    Oh c'mon. :grin: I could just as well be playing devils advocate. :smirk:
  • Accusations of Obscurity
    There's also the issue of oversimplification. One can be dumbstruck because what was written appears inefficient, vague, inadequate, strange, odd, and/or just plain stupid.

    However, there can also be false allegations of oversimplification. It's frustrating. Thise who look down on you, for example, will automatically perceive anything you say inadequate.
  • Accusations of Obscurity
    Yes, you listed these so I added this one. — Tom Storm
    Fair enough.
  • Accusations of Obscurity
    Not necessarily dishonest, just easily misunderstood or unhelpfully veiled. — Tom Storm
    That's included because the general idea is that your debating opponent is deceiving you.

    there is still the matter of writing which is lucid versus writing which is convoluted. — Tom Storm
    True, but I have the feeling that there are more variables.
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?


    :rofl:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    ↪Manuel

    Yeah, but US conservatives won't have it. They've successfully made congress dysfunctional. And you need congress to help ratify a new amendment. (I forgot the whole process)
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    The constitution should be updated though. It's not as if it were God's word or something. — Manuel
    Petition for an amendment! Reason: too many gullible people! Now, how's that for a proposition? :nerd:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    I think there should be a law that says that opinion or preference can't be given as fact. — Manuel
    Yea, good luck passing that. I believe it's also unconstitutional. Was it the 1st amendment?
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    Not that NATO is much better. I mean yes, the US is somewhat democratic, more than the EU now, I'd argue, but it doesn't matter, I mean they can just bombard you with propaganda and people go wild and want to go to war. — Manuel
    Correct. The Iraq war had really good ratings on cable news. To quote George Carlin, "We love war!"


    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-tops-cnn-msnbc-in-initial-war-ratings-race
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    I don't what you are talking about with the fascist question. — Manuel
    Nevermind the fascist point. I had something else in mind. :yikes:

    But the again EU is anti-democratic, and they also want and army... :grimace:
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    Sanction the US or get out of NATO? They rely on NATO for defense. — Manuel
    French president Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel have both expressed their support for a joint European army.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_army

    Who's the fascist now?
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    So I think it is about the EU — Apollodorus
    Yeah, i don't really care about the EU.
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    Which option should the EU go for? A divided world dominated by fascist China or a united world keeping Chinese expansionism under control? — Apollodorus
    Why even bring China into this? Chinese expansionism is a separate issue. The OP is about Trump America.
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    Trump is less fascist than Xi. — Apollodorus
    But is president Xi a threat to the EU? If so, who's a bigger threat to the European Union? The United States (under fascist Trump) or China?
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    Yeah, but they were a bit hawkish — Hanover
    Point taken. We will call trump a non-hawkish fascist!
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    Trump, despite his many many many flaws is dovish — Hanover
    If that be the case i think it's inaccurate to call him a fascist in the same sense that Hitler and Mussolini were fascist.
  • What should the EU do when Trump wins the next election?
    How should other countries react to the fascist douche being elected? — Benkei
    Perhaps with a threat of economic sanctions because Americans care passionately about their economy. It's better than tempting another world war (supposing there is an up-rise of right wing nationalism).
  • Messiness
    ↪jamalrob

    I see what you mean. I just wish people would calm down a bit. Philosophy doesn't have to replace politics. :smile:
  • Messiness
    A minority of members, who are less prideful or more willing to take risks, take a messier approach. They change their mind mid-discussion and fire out half-formed ideas. That can be good, but not always. — jamalrob
    Yeah, I see that too. And then there are some discussions that are so dysfunctional, you have people yelling at each other with constant accusation of misrepresentation and misunderstanding and dishonesty. It makes me wonder how are these people are communicating at all. Amazing.
  • Messiness
    know what you mean, but I think it's unavoidable in philosophy. The ideas are what's important, not the style, although that in itself is probably debated within philosophy. — jamalrob
    It also depends on what you are trying to do with your philosophy. Messiness can get in the way of clear communication, which is bad. But some ideas are crude and need time to develop, I guess you can call developing your ideas as a "messy process".

    Maybe you're describing something that's more often used in creative writing. Can you write philosophy in the style of Ulysses? — jamalrob
    I was wondering if there could be creative philosophy, but that's just speculation. But no, not really. I was just commenting on my own style of writing.

    I also have never read Ulysses. :sweat:
  • Messiness
    Did you go "yuck" when you read this? — jamalrob
    Not at all.
  • Who here thinks..
    ↪Hanover
    That doesn't seem like such a terrible game!
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