• Subject and object
    Again, you seem to be confusing the image of a brain with the brain. What I've been trying to tell you is that the mind is capable of perceiving itself - as a mind. An image of a mind would be a brain. Just as the word "mind" is not a mind but a word, an image of a mind is not a mind but a brain.
  • Subject and object
    The popular idea seems to be just that: that we can correctly see others "as they truly are".
    It's why a formulation in the form of "You are x" isn't merely shorthand for "I think you are x".
    baker
    It seems to me that only x can say what they are and everyone else can only see it - which means using the way light reflects off of x as a means of knowing what x is.

    Yes, it matters. Are you not scared by the proposition that you're trapped in indirectness?baker
    But are you not directly accessing your own mind and is your mind not part of the causality of the world? What would it be like to directly access something vs. indirectly.? Access is a term that implies indirectness, as something that is accessed by an accessor. How does the accessor access the accessed, if not indirectly - by accessing the effects x has on y (world on mind and mind on world)? Information takes time to travel from accessed to accessor.

    It would seem that you have direct access to your mind with direct meaning that you are your mind, and indirect access to the world via light's effect on the eyes.
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    The divorce does not separate them, it still describes a unity, but it also puts a temporal constraint on that unity by saying that it has ended.Metaphysician Undercover
    Why not just agree that divorce and marriage are relationships so that you don't contradict yourself in saying that a divorce is a type of unity. What you mean is that it is a type of relationship.

    People do not 'measure the space' between things, they measure the distance between them. So yes, by measuring the distance between them you are establishing a relationship, and this is inherently a unity between them. You are making them both one predicate of the same subject (which is the unity of the two) by saying that the two exist with such a distance between them. Measuring the distance between them is not to posit a space between them which is being measured, it is to posit a principle of unity between them, the act of measurement unites them.Metaphysician Undercover
    Every time you say "unity" you mean relationship. Every time you say "distance" you mean space. We are both saying essentially the same thing, but using different words. With our different words, we are pointing to the same thing. Thanks for agreeing. :smile:
  • The hard problem of consciousness and physicalism
    Is there any experience without acquaintance with nature, or any acquaintance with nature without experience? I think experience is just a word to denote that we have awareness. To my way of thinking the so-called "hard problem" is a kind of illusion based on thinking that what matter is is clearly understood; that it is something like "dead" particles that could not, according to our conception, possibly give rise to what we think of as "immaterial" subjective experience. The hard problem then seems to me to be an expression of incredulity based on ignorance.Janus
    The hard problem is trying to explain why there is a difference in the evidence used to assert that you are aware vs.asserting that others are aware. How you come to know that you are aware vs. knowing others are aware is totally different.
  • Opinions on legitimate government
    Might have once read something about government gaining legitimacy through the consent of the governed.Ennui Elucidator
    For most of human history governments have gained legitimacy through lies and fear. The governed may appear to be consenting (North Korean citizens proclaiming their love for their precious leader is a good example), but they only do so out of fear. In this sense they are not consenting, they are coerced.

    When power-hungry elitists gain control of government and consolidate their power (outsider, non-politicians are not welcome in their group), and much of what they do is behind closed doors and what they say is all generalizations and plurality, then is this what the goverened has consented to, or are the goverened merely preoccupied with celebrities and themselves (making themselves a celebrity) on TikTok and Facebook to give a damn? Dumbing down the governed is one way to make it look like the governed are giving consent when in fact the governed are just to dumb to know that they arent, or wouldn't, if they really knew what was going on in the government.
  • Subject and object
    Self-awareness: x sees x via an image of x that x is capable of generating.Agent Smith
    I dont know what this means. I describe self-awareness as a sensory information feedback loop, like the visual or auditory feedback you get when pointing a camera at its monitor or a microphone to its speaker. When you think about your "self" (one problem that we need to resolve is what is a self and where is it relative to the mind, brain and body), you are creating an information feedback loop - of the mind minding itself.

    Come to us, humans, now. When I engage in self-reflection, I don't see myself as a brain. Physicalists insist that the brain is the mind. Ergo, the brain is incapable of self-reflection (it doesn't see itself as it truly is, a mushy mass of meat). Consciousness is an illusion?Agent Smith
    Im not a physicalist (i dont even know what "phyisical" means), nor do i believe that consciousness is an illusion. I do agree that the distinction between mind and brain needs a good explanation. I think that the mind and brain are one and the same - just from different views, like photons can be both waves and particles, depending on the measuring device being used. The sensory-brain system (mind) is a measuring device. But be careful not to confuse the measurement with what is being measured.
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    Separates" and "unites" are somewhat opposed.Metaphysician Undercover
    The definition in the OP is wrong. Scientists have described space as a thing that can expand or contract. Put a wall between you and I and an object, not space, separates us.

    These are both types of relationships. A couple can be married (unites) and then divorced (separates) and both are types of relationships between them. You could be sitting right next to me or across the country and that is a relationship between you and I.

    In measuring the space between individuals are you not establishing a relationship between them? Thats what a measurement is - a relationship.
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    An agreement is in no way an object or an entity, so it's not even worth your while arguing that an agreement is a non-spatial "object" or "entity". And since it is a relation between a plurality of individuals, it is in no way an "individual".Metaphysician Undercover
    Yet it only takes one individual to break the agreement, or relationship.

    Is not space a relationship between individuals?
  • Subject and object
    I'm not satisfied with your replies. Have a good day.Agent Smith
    It wasn't replies, but questions that I asked that you need to answer for me to better understand your position. I'm not satisfied with your answers (or lack thereof). Have a good day.
  • Subject and object
    Metacognition: The mind forms and image of itself. This image, last I checked, is definitely not a brain.Agent Smith
    Well no, an image is not the thing the image is of. You seem to be confusing the thing with an image of the thing. Is the image of the thing seen as it truly is?

    If you don't see your brain as it truly is how can you say that you see other brains as they truly are? How is it that you have true sight of other people's brains but not of your own when you only have access to the image and not the thing itself?

    If you are able to know about things by only accessing an image of those things, does it really matter that you don't have direct access to those things?
  • Subject and object
    The camera captures itself, right but neither single neurons nor neural networks see themselves as they truly are, neurons or neural networks; in other words, they (neurons/neural networks) can't make themselves objects as they truly are.Agent Smith
    What do you mean, "see as they truly are"? Do you see anything as it truly is? Does the mind "see" itself as it truly is?
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    Ain't it the matter on which zeroes and ones are formed that occupies space?Raymond
    What else are numbers if not scribbles on a page, which occupies space?
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    Even if the records of the mortgage disappeared, the obligations remain - they just cannot be proved.

    Same as keeping a verbal promise.
    Banno
    What is it that keeps the agreement intact? If at any moment I can make an agreement, at any moment I can cancel the agreement. It takes more than one to make an agreement but only one to break the agreement. If I decide not to abide by the agreement then I don't need to pay my mortgage?
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    No, Harry. The mortgage is an agreement. But this sort of thing has been explained to you before, by many folk.Banno
    I've also been told by many folk that God exists and wants me to be saved by him. Does that make it true? You're not appealing to popularity are you?

    Then if you remove one of the members of the agreement, you remove the agreement? Then agreements are composed of members of the agreement and therefore occupy space.
  • Subject and object
    Since the brain isn't capable of making itself the object of its own study like it can with other things like a table or a person, the ability of the mind to self-reflect is physically inexplicable.Agent Smith
    Connect a camera to a monitor and then turn the camera back to look at its monitor. The visual feedback in the monitor is the camera's view of itself - the camera-monitor system. This is like the infinite regress you experience when thinking about your self.

    Thinking about thinking is what blurs the boundary of subject and object. In thinking about thinking object and subject are one and the same.
  • What do we mean by "will"? What should we mean by "will"?
    The normal definition for "will" in psychology/psychiatry is "the independent faculty of choice", in other words, "volition". Though better by characterizing the deliberate aspect of "will", I still find this definition wanting.Michael Zwingli


    Then came Schopenhauer, who, building on the ideas of Immanuel Kant, revolutionized the term. For him, the "will", as is so eloquently described on the Wiki, seems to have been "a blind, unconscious, aimless striving devoid of knowledge, outside of space and time, and free of all multiplicity". In this view, the will becomes less a faculty, less an ability or power, and more a source of constant impulse...from the biological perspective, an "instinct" (in the sense derived from it's constituent Latin etyma, "an inner prodding"), if you will.Michael Zwingli
    Occam's Razor comes to mind here.

    I don't see much of a difference between these two descriptions other than the number of words in the description. If we accept the idea that computers make decisions based on their programming, and finite information stored in them to use to make decisions with, then it follows that computers make these decisions instinctively, as in that is how they were designed and programmed to respond to some input which isn't much different from organisms. Organisms are programmed by Natural Selection and possess limited information in their heads for which to make decisions with - instinctively.
  • What do we mean by "will"? What should we mean by "will"?
    If we're going the academic route, we define our context and our aim and justify a definition that suits, usually with the aid of some authority, whether historical or contemporary. Without context, the appropriateness of any specific definition is unresolvable.Baden
    In the context of understanding reality we don't necessarily need language or definitions to do so. Just an understanding of the relationship between things, like the an observation of the way thing currently are, the will (intent or the idea to change how things currently are) and what is intended (or what new conditions you would like to see).
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    Cool. I'll delete the contents of the hard drive and then my mortgage is gone.Banno
    Like I said, it was a COPY of your mortgage agreement. You'd have to hack into the bank's computer and delete it there too for your mortgage ro be gone.

    If that be true than whether the morgage is stipulated in Word or in PDF would make a difference to the motrgage, since it will occupy a diffferent amount kilobytes of space on my hard drive. However, it does not. Likewise if Banno's morgtgage would somehow be eradicated from his harddrive and from the hardrive of the company he has a mortgage from, that would somehow destroy Banno's obligation to pay. That however is false.Tobias
    Word and Adobe add extra information that is not part of the mortgage information and that is what makes the difference. If there us no record that Banno has a mortgage then he is not obligated to pay something that doesn't exist. If you ask the bank for evidence that you have a mortgage, what do you think they will show you? If they can't show you any information of your mortgage then you effectively don't have a mortgage. If you are talking about his memory of his mortgage, then we are still talking about information that occupies the space in his head.

    If everyone forgot that Paris is the capital of France, would Paris be the capital of France?
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    What space is occupied by your Mortgage?
    What space is occupied by Philosophy forums?
    What space is occupied by three hundred?
    Banno
    These are all examples of information. Information occupies space. If you don't believe me, look at the contents of your hard drive on your computer. Does not the signed copy of your mortgage agreement occupy kilobytes of space on your drive? This forum occupies space in the cloud. Type 300 in a text document and you can see that the text occupies space and the document occupies space in RAM until saved to your hard drive's space. For something to exist and for you to be aware of and talk about it, it must occupy space.
  • Is change a property of space, objects, or both?
    An object being something with finite extent in at least one of its properties (a particular entity); space being that which separates distinct objects.Daniel
    Using these definitions of object and space, objects and space would be the medium of change.

    Another way of looking at it would be objects and space are the means by which minds model change (or process) which would mean that change/process would be fundamental and objects and space would be a mind's (which itself is a process) way of perceiving and knowing change/processes.
  • Some remarks on Wittgenstein's private language argument (PLA)
    I haven't given any examples because I've assumed that most people know, that any use of a word in a sentence, is an example of how it's used. So, if I'm talking about epistemology for example, and I say, "I know John is guilty of murder," then the sense of the word know, (namely, how it's used in this sentence), is that I'm justified in some appropriate way. Another use or sense of the word know that is common, is to use it as a kind of emphasis. The emphasis on know would reflect a conviction, i.e., how one feels about the belief their expressing. Wittgenstein pointed this out in OC, where he says this kind of use can express itself in tone of voice. These are two specific examples of different uses of the same word. An epistemological use, and a use that expresses my subjective conviction. However, don't confuse a use that expresses the subjective, as a use that gives the word meaning.Sam26
    Exactly. Words are used to point to states-of-affairs that are not just another use of words. To know is to both be justified and to reflect a conviction because it is justified. Why would you reflect conviction unless you were justified in doing so? So it seems to me that your use of "to know" points to the same state-of-affairs and you're unnecessarily complicating the meaning of "to know" as being used in two or more separate states-of-affairs, when it is really being used in just one way - to point to one's justified conviction (a redundancy).

    And, even if you're under the spell of a mass delusion, it doesn't follow that your words have lost their sense. It just means that you're convinced of something that's false, among other things.Sam26
    In today's world, is the phrase "The Earth is flat" of any use? Does it make sense to say such a thing? No, because it doesn't point to any state of affairs that exists outside of our heads. It can only point to an idea, or a delusion, and that is what it pointed to a 1000 years ago when people used that phrase. The difference between today and a 1000 years ago is that today, most of us now know that it only points to an idea, not to a state-of-affairs that exists outside of our heads.

    The idea that it's you (emphasis on the subjective) that's convinced, gives people the false idea that it's you that gives meaning to the word. Again, the difference between understanding an expression of the subjective, and understanding how meaning comes about within a social context.Sam26
    Meaning is the relationship between cause and effect. Intent precedes the use of words. The idea that I intend to convey is what my words point to. My ideas, in turn, either point to some state-of-affairs that exists outside my head or they don't. So depending on how accurate my ideas of the world are will determine how useful my words are to others. The meaning of words comes about within a social context only after they are deemed useful in pointing to actual state-of-affairs that exist outside your head.

    Just look at all the conversations on this forum in which words are used in ways that are confusing and require the user to define how it is that they are using it (what state-of-affairs the words point to outside one's head) for the readers to understand what it is that they are actually saying. Some people use words ("consciousness" and the distinction between "natural" and "artificial" are prime examples) in ways that they think that they know how they are using them (the way that they learned to use it from others in a social context) only to find that when their way of using it isn't consistent with the other things that they have said or that we know, hence their use of words are not useful.
  • Are Minds Confined to Brains?
    We do not need to evoke images to describe the difference between how the dog sees and how the human sees, is what I meant.NOS4A2
    Images are a type of information and is what is evoked to describe the difference.

    Is there really that much of a difference if TV screens with images of birds can trigger the same type of behaviors in dogs as if they had seen a real bird? If we can use a trick of light to make humans and dogs see birds that aren't there, then isnt there some similarity between how we both see birds?
  • Blindsight's implications in consciousness?
    Evolution is not "goal-directed". The consequence (i.e. increased reproductive fitness) of adaptive mutations via natural selection is called "survival".180 Proof
    I said earlier tha behaviors are goal-directed, not natural selection. NS is the means by which goal-directed behaviors come to exist in organisms. So instincts and habits (behaviors) are goal-directed.

    NS is simply the process by which other processes adopt attributes that allow them to persist through time.

    Goal-directed behaviors are attributes that allow certain things to persist through time by integrating stored information with live (sensory) information.
  • Does Phenomenology Consist Merely in Introspection? Dennett and Zahavi on Phenomenology.
    I didn't see much in these articles about memory being dynamic. I found this interesting article though: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.02523/full

    It seems to suggest that memories can be dynamic yet also suggest memory as a type of storage. If memories are reconstructed (still not sure what this means), then they must be using a template to reconstruct from, or else it doesn't really qualify as a reconstruction. If memories are not stored information and not reconstructed from a template, then does it even make sense to call them memories instead of imaginings?

    To say that memory is "dynamic" means that memories change and therefore would no longer qualify as a memory, but as an imagining.

    Erik Rietveld
    "Enactive approaches to cognitive science aim to explain human cognitive processes across the board without making any appeal to internal, content-carrying representational states."
    But it is the scientists' internal, content-carrying representational states that inform scientists of the way brains work. What other means do scientists have of being informed about the human cognitive processes?

    "A challenge to such a research programme in cognitive science that immediately arises is how to explain cognition in so-called ‘representation-hungry’ domains. Examples of representation-hungry domains include imagination, memory, planning and language use in which the agent is engaged in thinking about something that may be absent, possible or abstract. The challenge is to explain how someone could think about things that are not concretely present in their environment other than by means of an internal mental representation. "
    The challenge is solved by merely understanding that if thoughts are about things, then thoughts must be representations of those things. In the case of imaginings and dreams, they are simulations of behaviors and their outcomes that we can use to streamline our behaviors in the world when the moment arrives. We can use the memory of a simulated outcome to change our behaviors just as we can use the memory of a real event that happened to change our behaviors. Computers run simulations and the outcome of those simulations are used by humans to understand the world better. So representation-hungry domains are really about certain aspects of the world, or else they would be useless in the world.
  • Blindsight's implications in consciousness?
    Patently false assumption (e.g. reflexes, habits).180 Proof
    So you're saying that reflexive and habitual behaviors didn't evolve to achieve some goal - like survival?
  • Blindsight's implications in consciousness?
    Re: blindsight – Perception (like volition or cognition) is primarily (mostly) an 'unconscious yet functional' process; therefore, "intentionality" might only be an ex post facto metacognitive illusion: thus, unknown knowns (i.e. unknowingly knowing).180 Proof
    I'm not sure what to make of this. If intentionality is part of the same system (the whole body) then why can't we say that we always behave with intent? All of our behaviors are goal-directed.

    It seems like you keep trying to separate the various functions of the brain apart from our self. What is the self - the brain, the mind, the body? If we are our bodies does it make sense to say that we don't operate with intent? Intentionality is only an illusion if intent existed apart from our bodies. So if I perceive that my conscious intent as the source of action, and my perceptions are models of what is really happening, then my model shows that the intent came from my self (my body). If I assume that my body is the source of my intent and that my consciousness is only a model of the world and my body's relationship with it, then my conscious content informs me of what I (my body) intended to do and it makes no sense that we have an illusion of intent. It's only an illusion if you're a naive realist and believe that everything you consciously perceive is the way the world is, rather than a model of the way the world is.
  • Blindsight's implications in consciousness?
    Blindsight is essentially when a person doesn't perceive anything in front of their eyes due to brain damage, yet better than chance they can "guess" what is there somehow. Surely all of our knowledge isn't gained strickly from perceptions from our senses? Perhaps we can gain knowledge from things we can't even perceive is there?TiredThinker
    They can't describe in detail what is there. They just know something is there. This is the difference between p-zombies and non-p-zombies. The assumption that p-zombies can behave the same way as humans is wrong. Blind-sight patients are unsure about what it is that they are aware of and won't behave in the same way as a human who perceives consciously.
  • Some remarks on Wittgenstein's private language argument (PLA)
    If I say a word has a use, then I'm saying that it has a use within a particular language-game or a particular social context. There may be many uses of a word, so your question, "Used for what?" isn't taking into account that there may not be any one use, but many uses.Sam26
    Ok, but what other uses? That is what I'm asking. Strange that you can't even provide any examples of what it is that you are trying to say.

    However, the sense of a word is never the result of your subjective view. We can use words to communicate a subjective view, but we learn to use the words, and the meanings of words, in social contexts apart from the subjective. Not only is this the case, but as far as I can tell, it's necessarily the case.Sam26
    So you've never heard of mass delusions, or ideas that propagate within a group that are just wrong - like the Earth being flat?

    Oh, I get it Harry, you're joking, right? You're trying to be funny, because I can't make any sense of this apart from a joke.Sam26
    If words have meaning apart from the subjective and is necessarily the case, then how did you misconstrue my intent as being funny when that wasn't my intent?
  • Does Phenomenology Consist Merely in Introspection? Dennett and Zahavi on Phenomenology.
    Then what's the difference between imagining and remembering - neurologically and phenomelogically?
  • How Useful is the Concept of 'Qualia'?
    All of this can be put simply a "Spider hallucinations look like spiders" - no use of "qualia"!

    What's relevant about an hallucination of a spider is that thereis no spider. Hence, as you point out, characterising some event as an hallucination presumes realism.
    Banno
    What does it mean for hallucinations to look like the real thing? How can something that isn't real look like something that is?

    And what does it mean to say that the hallucination isn't real? Are you saying that hallucinations themselves aren't real, or that they don't represent anything that is real? If the latter, then aren't we talking about representations (qualia) vs what is represented (spiders)? And are the representations real things themselves?

    To even talk about hallucinations and compare them with other things must mean that you think that they are real and have real effects in the real world, and can be compared to real things. How can you compare something that isn't real with something that is?

    To be sure, realism is the view that there is stuff in the world that is independent of the mind, so the claim that what is real is stuff in the mind would not count as realism.Banno
    But "real" in what sense? You seemed to agree earlier with the statement, "we are our minds". Are you saying that "we" and our "minds" are not real?
  • Civil War 2024
    That is, for which there is evidence. I realize in your fantasy land, you have no need of evidence, nor are troubled by lack of it.tim wood
    I'm certainly not saying the Dems are more corrupt. I'm saying that they are equally corrupt and need each other to maintain the status quo. If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it. If it makes you sleep better to say I live in a fantasy land even though I can point to issues that I have switched sides on, like religion, based on the evidence, and you probably cant. Care to share just one idea that you've changed your mind on given the evidence? If not then who is the one living in a fantasy land?
  • Some remarks on Wittgenstein's private language argument (PLA)
    Wittgenstein has an important point, namely, that the meaning of our words or concepts is primarily a function of a norm of use within a given language-game.Sam26
    Used for what? To accomplish what goal? To win the game? Or to communicate? How does one communicate without the understanding of representation -that something (scribbles and sounds) can mean something else (that isn't scribbles and sounds, like apples and trees)? Unless Witt is saying that individuals don't exist, then it would logically follow that individuals will have varying experiences with the rules of any language which will lead to varying degrees of understanding the rules of some language, which is to say that they have a subjective view of any language.
  • Does Phenomenology Consist Merely in Introspection? Dennett and Zahavi on Phenomenology.
    First generation cognitive science used the metaphor of computer to model the mind as an input output device that processes , represents and stores data. That metaphor has been replaced by the biological notion of self-organizing system. Memory is no longer thought of as storage but instead as reconstructive process.Joshs

    Right, that makes sense: so memories are reconstructed from traces, which do not remain unchanged in the process of reconstruction.Janus

    Any links regarding this? How is a process REconstructive without access to the original construction? What does it mean to be self-organizing when natural selection is an external process that has selected, over a very long time, the attributes that enable a neural system to produce behaviors (outputs) given certain sensory information (inputs)? In a sense, natural selection has programmed organisms to handle (store and interpret) sensory data in specific ways to survive.
  • Does Phenomenology Consist Merely in Introspection? Dennett and Zahavi on Phenomenology.
    I think memory, in one sense, just is the totality of "inscriptions", In another sense we could say it is the faculty of being able to recall those "inscriptions" to consciousness. No "container" to be found or required.Janus
    The finite medium where these inscriptions are (stored)? Maybe your confusing memories with memory. Recalled from where?
  • Civil War 2024
    It's interesting that all the bad things that happen are done by Republicans,tim wood
    Spoken like some who only gets information from sources that confirm their own cognitive biases. It's interesting that all the bad things that happen are done by demons and devils and all the good things are done by us angels. Give. Me. A. Break.

    The whole thing was a carnival for alt-right cosplayers,StreetlightX
    :lol:

    Riot, insurrection. Words aside, what exactly do you say happened on 6 January?tim wood
    Riots are what they called the violence in the summer of 2020 where public property was destroyed and innocent people were killed. Other called it peaceful protests. Some would call an insurrection a revolt against tyranny. So what happened on Jan. 6th and the summer of 2020? Two ignorant groups were manipulated by political elites into thinking that their lives and freedom were being threatened by another group in order to rile them up to get votes. The two political parties fear the growing number of independents and they are growing desperate in their need for votes without having to be detailed about their plans and defending their inconsistencies, which you have to do with independents, but not with their fundamentalist, close-minded party members who vote for them no matter what.

    We all (at least the intelligent people) know that the elites in govt. use their power to keep power and enrich themselves at our expense. When Nancy Pelosi's trading portfolio is as performing as well as, if not out-performing, Warren Buffet's then there must be something fishy going on.
  • Does Phenomenology Consist Merely in Introspection? Dennett and Zahavi on Phenomenology.
    I don't think the 'container' analogy is really a good way of understanding memory.Janus
    Sure it is. Is not memory a container of information?

    Thinking of memory as consisting in traces or patterns. like marks left in the sand, seems more apt to me.Janus
    You're confusing data (inscriptions in memory) with memory.
  • Does Phenomenology Consist Merely in Introspection? Dennett and Zahavi on Phenomenology.
    Sure, the idea of mind is how we conceive of what we take to be the faculty doing the thinking and experiencing. It doesn't seem necessary to hold to any particular conception of mind in order to have an understanding of what we take to be the workings of the world.

    You are taking it as read that we 'have' "subjective contents"; that is the default understanding, based on the intuitive analogy of the mind as a kind of container, but is it the best way to understand the mind. Wouldn't we need to consider all the other conceivable alternatives before deciding?
    Janus
    The idea that the mind is working memory is a way of understanding the mind as both the faculty doing the thinking (working) and as a kind of a container (memory). It seems to me that memory is a required concept for understanding mind, as information in the mind persists through time and there is only so much information that the mind can work with and recall at any moment.
  • How Useful is the Concept of 'Qualia'?
    Of course; but they are not real spiders. An odd thing about denying realism is that it leads to the conclusion that there are no real spiders, and hence it's all hallucinations; we no longer have the capacity to say that the paranoiac is wrong.Banno
    Sure, but the question was why do hallucinated spiders look like real spiders. How do you explain the behavior of someone hallucinating without "silly" qualia? How is it that something that isn't real looks like something that is unless they both take the same form (qualia)?

    Denying realism isn't denying what is real. It just changes the reference to what is real. If there were only hallucinations (which doesn't make any sense without something real), then hallucinations would be the only reality. Reality would simply be a solipsistic mind and that is what would be real. Spiders would exist only as qualia and would be real as qualia, while the notion that spiders exist outside the mind would be the illusion.

    Like you, I'm a realist. It's just that I'm also assert that qualia are real, and it would seem to be that you do to if you agree that we are our minds, which are composed of qualia. If qualia were so "silly" then how is it that solipsism could even be contemplated. A p-zombie could never conceive of the idea of solipsism. It would make no sense to them, just like the idea of qualia.
  • The Fundamental Principle of Epistemology
    Disproving such a law does not mean that the opposite applies - merely that the law doesn't always apply.

    By dismissing the LNC I accept that:
    Some contradictory ideas can be both true.
    Some contradictory ideas can be both false.
    Some contradictory ideas cannot be true in the same sense at the same time.
    Hermeticus
    Now you're going to have to explain in what instances it doesn't apply and why. Examples would be nice.
  • The Fundamental Principle of Epistemology
    Why should the universe (1) make sense (2) to us?Agent Smith
    We are natural outcomes of the universe and its properties that we find ourselves. It's like asking how does anything exist in the way it does? Because that is how this universe works. Natural selection has selected organisms with opposable thumbs and large brains because this form of ours is more compatible with survival in this universe, or at least on this planet. What species has been able spread out like we have all over the globe and into space?

    This "law of noncontradiction" has essentially been disproven by the principle of quantum superposition.Hermeticus
    Then the LNC has both been proven and not proven. Remember that by dismissing the LNC you accept ALL contradictory ideas as both being true, not just one.