It's not a fact of nature, it's a fact about how we speak. — Isaac
We declare definitions to be what they are, we could have declared otherwise. — Isaac
I've gotta good book recommendation if you're interested. — frank
Scandals like that do not fade too quickly in people’s memories. — I like sushi
During this dark period of human history more slaves died in Brasil than everywhere else combined - so the estimations say - Considerably more. It is also believed around 40% of the slaves bound for the americas arrived in Brasil. Mostly men who were, if memory served me, typically castrated and/or worked to death - literally - then simply replaced by more men from Africa. — I like sushi
So while the thread is amusing, it is not going to achieve anything like a consensus. I — Banno
If all we needed to demonstrate the existence of some substantial self in the Cartesian sense was the fact that we speak of "I" and "we" and so on, then it would have been proven long ago and no longer controversial. — Janus
If consciousness is the capacity to analyse... — Banno
Why is the Hard Problem of Consciousness so hard?
Because folk bring their baggage with them. — Banno
We don't 'find out' consciousness is required for doubting, we declare it to be so. — Isaac
If all you're interested in is how things are then the the claim is "A doubt implies a person having it, a "mind" rejecting a belief. It isn't an independent doubt, free-floating in the universe. — Isaac
It doesn't tell us anything about the way things 'must be', only how things are. — Isaac
Although I'm a bit more modest than Descartes; I would say we know that thinking (and feeling and awareness) are going on; the self is a more problematic proposition. — Janus
And again I would pick you up on assuming that everyone is the same. What you find yourself able to do is not necessarily representative of human capacities in general. — Janus
If you are not able to be conscious of your own awareness, then that says something about you, not about others or humans in general. — Janus
You may well be right. — T Clark
I imagine it would start very simply with something like what has been studied with the MRI. — T Clark
The pupillary reaction score is just left off in blind people, and those with potential eye damage. — Isaac
The gulf between the purported complex complete picture of something people believe they have in their mind('visual thinkers' and all that) with what they can describe when asked a few questions about it. — creativesoul
Why can't all the neuronal stuff happen without me thinking I'm having an experience? — bert1
They'd need to have eyes, but I don't see any reason they couldn't. — Isaac
Consciousness - The property of scoring 4:5:6 on the Glasgow coma scale. — Isaac
Lula has said that Zelenskiy is "as responsible as Putin for the war". — ssu
Oddly some people seem to struggle with it, almost as if they are zombies. I hesitate to say that as it seems so insulting - people lacking a basic concept of what, in part, they are. Even people like 180 Proof and Banno, who are well educated and sophistacated thinkers in many ways, genuinely don't seem to have the concept. I don't really understand it though, I don't know how people can not have it. — bert1
if we don't share concepts, it's hard to even get a conversation started in which people are not missing each others points. — bert1
There are several definitions of consciousness I'm happy with. — Isaac
That's of no help because 'consciousness' is an equally vague and slippery notion defined, it seems, by exactly the same list of things it definitely isn't, but nothing it actually is. — Isaac
I'm just trying to pin down what this thing 'awareness' is that neuroscience has apparently failed to explain. — Isaac
Isn't this just what the 'hard problem' is about? 15 pages of texts and it's back to square 1. — Wayfarer
Also I can draw a likeness of the face of someone I know well, even if I can't "see" a stable mental picture of it. Same with the human figure; I can draw a very accurate, proportionally and muscularly speaking, image of the human body, male or female. — Janus
What about when you dream? I would put it more in terms of a VR headset kind of experience, particularly for lucid dreaming. — Marchesk
have heard of experiments using MRIs to correlate specific brain patterns with specific words. — T Clark
They think we are walking around with HD movies in our heads. some people do, — hypericin