Praxis, EXCELLENT!! You caused red to do something as part of his greater world, but to you, it was a reaction to Red, and through your reaction, you affected/caused Red to run liked bat out of hell--reaction.

To try and makes sense of this cause business, place yourself in the centre of your universe---not mine--lol!!!! Experience for yourself what moves you, and remember, one needs to be moved within/motivated before one can move without in reaction.

Each organism is part of the world, such that other organisms become objects in the relation between subject and object. So, in your experience, other organisms are cause as being part of the outside world is cause.--that is a yes to your statement!

The world is cause, and organisms are ALL reactive creatures, give me one example of human action, there just isn't any.

WOW, a most impressive response from all, not just a bunch of pretty faces--lol!!! Still recovering from my grandfather's passengers -- going to make that one my own! The mourning of someone's death is the mourning of their lost identity, which is the collective memories of a particular constitution which is basically anonymous itself, constitutions differ only in their vitality--it's life's journey of experiences that clothes the naked unknown.

Humanity is a function of earth and like all other creatures, humanity is a reactionary creature and that spells out, a function of earth affecting and being affected by the earth. It is a mindset with many or most believe that humanity has free-will, meaning he acts in this world when the opposite in fact is true. Daniel, well stated, when one's eyes close in death, a world ceases to be. Subject and object stand or fall together. One can only know a world cognitively.

OK! The argument is this, that there is no such thing as human action, there is but human reaction as such life is a function of earth. All life on earth is reactionary, if this was not so, evolution itself would not be a fact. So, if you wish to challenge the idea that there is no such thing as human action, then you're in the game so to speak. If you disagree, give me an example of some action which could not be better understood as a reaction, this overlaps into free will as well.

Hi apokrisis, Something simply being is an object of possible affect upon a conscious being/read subject. The old philosophical statement that subject and object stand or fall together could not be more true. If all life was not reactive to that greater reality the world and the cosmos evolution could not be a fact. The world as you probably know on the more ultimate level is motion, frequencies of various kinds some of these we perceive/sense some we do not, but those that we do affect of biology and it reacts to said stimulus. No doubt, we are effected/react to some stimulus we are not aware of. It sounds like you requesting some sort of authority for my views, no doubt there are to many to count. Apparent reality is a biological readout, meaning add all the stimuli we are capable of sensing and the readout is apparent reality. Biology defines apparent reality, it is through the body the mind know apparent reality. Best authority that comes to mind Spinoza.

Hi Manuel,
The mind is what we think of as active in sleep, working the night shift. If apparent reality is a reaction to the affects of the physical world as object, the mind at night is just tidying up the conflicts which the community perhaps deems unresolved. Just a thought, but we dream a jumble of experiences of the physical daytime world, it is not to say reaction is limited to our waking life. There seems to be a common negative reaction to the idea that we are reactionary creatures but historically we also distanced ourselves from lifes family tree, which is still carried on by the religious, the religious, not so humble after all, and we let them vote for Trump.

Reaction is a response on a biological and/or behavioural level to an affect, and that which is the ultimate affect for a conscious subject is the world as object, in which subject and object are a duel function to produce perception/reaction/consciousness. The world affects, the subject is effected/reacts. You are the eyes, ears and consciousness of the world, it is through lifes consciousness that the world knows itself.

Yeah, I guess that is why they would post just one sentence--LOL!! Actually I think a lot of people would find much to object to. I was feeling a bit flippent, haven't made a lot of posts here. I see there is no quote function. That might be a blessing.

Hi Manuel, Well most people I've discussed this with disagree that perception is reaction. Personally, I believe that apparent reality is a biological readout, the reason apparent reality appears as it does to us is because our biology is just so. Feed us all the data we are capable of sensing and excluding all the rest we get the readout that we do. Yes, it is passive, it is not an intellectual decision one makes to perceive just as you are not the author of your next thought, it just being in the world, which you didn't decide either. You are a function of the world, or as , his name leaves me now, said, an apple tree apples and the world peoples--lol!! I believe its all reaction, consciousness as well, we do not act, we react. Your thoughts?

apokrisis
Yes, indeed, but probably there is a scan involved. You do not seem to disagree that perception is reaction, is experience, is consciousness, many do.

My thinking on the matter stems originally from first-hand experience, many times growing up I would have seizures and blackout upon awakening for a brief period of time I would have no memory. I did not know who anyone was including myself. I was battered and bruised but otherwise felt incredibly good, all there was, was my sense of being alive which felt fantastic. Then one memory would come to me and the rest would come flooding back. Spinoza said the body is the mind's object, it is through the body that the mind knows the world and that was my experience, there was nothing else, it just felt great to be alive. I believe the sense of self lives in the memory but to know it, is to know it has no identity it is process. People identify the I as their storyline, the history of their experiences remembered is then the self. The experiences of that given constitution is a like process all across the board as a given constitution in process of building a history of experiences.

What is moral? Self interest of a collective.

I believe humanity would be shocked to really appreciate what it is as a multicellular organism, it is a community. Individuality, the sense of self is a functional illusion as is the sense of free will. Someday we will recognize these things and start to develop an understanding of the functioning of said community in relation to the physical world of which we are part and understand that apparent reality is also a functional illusion. Our reality is much weirder than we presently entertain. Neurology I believe will be the begining of an awakening of humanity as to its true nature. Hume states what should be obvious in today's world that self-identity is an illusion a bundle of experiences.

Truth by what circumstances? If it is lying in enterpersonal relationships, often it is said to be done so as to not hurt the feelings of others, when it is a much to save ourselves discomfort. Truth to me is what my biology tells me is so, that is how I have the courage to move on down the road. Biological truth is by no means infallible but its the best we have to apply to apparent reality. It may not be true of ultimate reality but that is not the level we function on. The truth about ultimate reality has to seem like abstraction and useless to our day-to-day world, but quantum machanics has proved otherwise, truth is what agrees with judgement.

We are all the same at birth, meaning without identity, born into the world as simply a constitution in whatever state. What becomes of you is what happens to your constitution through your environmental contexts. First family and then world at large, meaning societal and the physical demands of climate ect.and location geographically. This becomes your storyline, this becomes your personal I, for identity. When you die what's buried is that constitution indistinct from any other constitution.