The point is about what decisions? Every situation is different. Right or wrong about mass murder or right or wrong about giving money to the poor? — Tom Storm

I don’t think that it is necessary to discuss specific choices that have been made by different people. If you believe that it would be worth our time and energy please explain your reasoning.

There is no multifactorial right and wrong assessment mechanism. — Tom Storm

I disagree

You are asking general questions that have no answer. — Tom Storm

How do you know that the questions I am asking have no answer?

There is no multifactorial right and wrong assessment mechanism. — Tom Storm

How did you come to this conclusion?

I think it would help if you sketched out what it is you are asking with greater clarity using examples.

Would you mind identifying precisely where I was unclear And what kind of examples would be helpful?

By what criteria do you define beneficial?

I would use the criteria of medicine. What I mean is that historically some treatments that have been adopted were later abandoned due to new evidence demonstrating the lack of any value. Bleeding a patient would be an example.

Right or wrong about what?

I’m asking how we can know that our confidence in our own decisions is justified or not.

Are you asking for individual approaches to these two separate questions, or if there is an 'objective' approach.

I would prefer an objective approach but individual approaches could still be valuable.

Be true to yourself and let the cards fall where they may.

Would you mind clarifying what you mean? Some elaboration would be greatly appreciated.

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Hence why it takes so much time to gain the wisdom to know the difference between a waste of time/energy And practical/Useful things worth acquiring and focusing on Which can better lead you somewhere worthwhile.

I hope this exchange is worthwhile in your estimation. If not please don’t hesitate to inform me because I don’t want to waste any of my time or yours for that matter.

There is no guarantee.

If there is no guarantee then why use the framework? Is it really superior to a more basic commonsensical concept? You never did comment on the suitability of paths. I don’t think a guarantee of efficacy is too much to ask for when it comes to something as significant as wisdom. Please be patient with me if it seems like I’m a bit slower.

We do this all the time, so it is kind of obvious to me.

Forgive me if it isn’t obvious to me. I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say most of the time to be honest. Hopefully we can find a way to communicate in spite of everything that seems to be conspiring against this. I don’t think it would be excessive if I asked for English.

And you live more in the world of trivia And logistical information than Gaining useful of knowledge and wisdom, which can enable you to rise up the food chain.

We really need a yardstick in order to do this successfully. Besides rising to the top of the food chain isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Just ask Julius Caesar or Alexander. Early death and assassination to name a few hazards. The people at the top of a food chain need wisdom too. So the simple fact of being at the top can’t serve as a good indication it could be attributed to something else.

Information is like food, no one can give you a metric of what food you should eat, as you are the ultimate judge of what you put in your mouth That you expect will give you the best anabolic results, or not.

I disagree with the notion that no one can justifiably tell me what I should and should not eat. We don’t condone cannibalism and one can’t judge anything without a means of judging it. Without a criterion or metric that allows us to establish with certainty what is and isn’t good for us we will be taking shots in the dark at best.

Correct! If you live a life without learning how to build realistic expectations then dead ends and waste of time, effort and resources will be all you know.

I’m not sure what realistic is supposed to mean here because you seem to enjoy using unique and arcane definitions that the average person might struggle with. I hope you don’t interpret this as an unfair criticism btw. I really am curious and would like to know what qualifies.

Wisdom level 'optimization' generally is the optimal balance of identifying and achieving a goal that is most aligned with the agent's areas of concerns, desired affordable costs/efforts, and desired gains in potential energy or getting closer to a truth.

Why would the agents areas of concerns be something significant? What if an agent is concerned with things that do not actually deserve to be called worthwhile or even slightly significant? Isn’t it possible that they have been deceived or have simply misunderstood the situation? If so how optimal can that outcome actually be called?

one measure of potential utility (a kind of practicality) would be if the information/knowledge is expected to be useful in creating, or bridging to, any wisdom the agent would expect to be valuable.

Why would the agents own expectations be a good indication of the practicality of knowledge? What guarantees that the agent isn’t misguided or simply deceived? If the expectations are unfounded and they are ultimately baseless what good do they do as a metric?

Wisdom: experiential optimization and/or expectations guidance and/or principles which make knowledge more practical or in better context to a perceived reality frame of reference, enough to help enable building suitable paths and goals that satisfy the needs of Conscious Free Will.

This definition strikes me as impractical. Maybe it’s just the way it was worded but it’s not clear what optimization actually means in this context. How do we measure the practicality of knowledge or the suitability of pathways?