I'm skeptical about empathy. — Tom Storm
How, for instance can someone without children understand what it is like to lose a child? — Tom Storm
Pessimism seems a pretty easy, even tidy solution to the world's problems. If you can put all things into the basket of 'everything's fucked' one doesn't have to think much further. — Tom Storm
compassion and empathy are the entirety of meaning without reference to anything other than themselves, — aodhan
Don’t confuse apathy Stoic ‘apathia’ with mere indifference or ennui. — Wayfarer
and also I'm uncertain what "valence" might mean in relation to value — Moliere
Would this relationship hold generally: if and only if a person does not have knowledge of valence of X, then it's hard to explain how they have an appreciation of or cherishing of the Y.
Where, in your example, the variables are set to
X=value
Y=the good — Moliere
Yet I think Plato would say that The Good is the highest good, not philosophy. — Leontiskos
Tell me what you think of it whenever you have the time, if you'd like. — Moliere
In what sense does the study of value instantiate value? — Pantagruel
I'm not familiar with how quick to expect a response but please feel free to ridicule and mock my propositions — Gingethinkerrr
This was my first stab at a basic question — Gingethinkerrr
My question is....are there any stupid questions? — Gingethinkerrr
Hello Gary,The value of a single human life? — Gingethinkerrr
And what is "the good" to "anyone" – philosopher and non-philosopher alike? — 180 Proof
So only philosophers can recognize or seek "the highest good"? — 180 Proof
What does "highest good", as you're using the term, mean or refer to? — 180 Proof
For the modern mind if one knows the highest good then they will necessarily choose it, and therefore axiology assumes a preeminent place. For the ancient mind to intellectually know the highest good does not mean that one will necessarily be capable of choosing it and adhering to it, and because of this axiology becomes more subsidiary. — Leontiskos
In that case the ability to desire well becomes a central end of education (in the broad sense). — Leontiskos
So I'm wondering if the first meaning of "value" is the same as the second? Is the study of value becoming able to value what is good? — Moliere
but usually people get by with goods just fine without studying axiology. — Moliere
I'm reading you as saying "Because we have to be able to value what is good in comparison with other goods to be able to appreciate it as a "good" " -- am I reading you right? — Moliere
Not "What is of highest good?" -- I'm asking what would it count to be a "highest good" at all? — Moliere
What's a highest good? — Moliere
But what is love in this sense? By most definitions it alludes to a feeling of admiration that transcends (is devoid of any and all or is otherwise operating outside of the realm of) logic. If this is true, how useful is such a quality in philosophy, really?Does it not make philosophical discourse into little more than a game of favorites based on transient states of favor not fixed in any deeper absolute truth or concrete value? — Outlander
Could there not be different types of a single value each with varying degrees, though? Take love, for example. There's platonic, romantic, and one other I believe. You could love someone as a brother but hate them as a friend, no? — Outlander
If you could replace 'value' with a single word, what would it be? Worth? (to whom?) Characteristic? (intrinsic and absolute or circumstantial based on social or environmental factors?) Something else? — Outlander
I enjoy your threads as they're often brief and to the point, allowing even those ignorant of common philosophical models and -isms such as myself room to jump in and postulate from a beginner's frame of mind comfortably in between other mentally-taxing tasks. Looks like I may have gotten a bit over eager on this one, however. — Outlander
What is good, though? — Outlander
Value as in, intrinsic quality but in a taxonomical sense, whether that quality is good or bad or neither. Something can have an extremely high value of "indistinctiveness" or ambiguity, rather, couldn't it? So, essentially traits and characteristics and their levels of is what "value" refers to here? — Outlander
Seems easy to get lost in semantics. — Outlander
Axiology is the study of value. — 180 Proof
Does life have any potential to be anything beyond suffering, or is that too much of a pessimistic stance? — Arnie
I don't understand what you mean by "appreciation". — 180 Proof
I think it's a good bet, though, if you finish it. Also, while the above points out the democratic and financial reason for education, for me I'd say it's because you gain knowledge, it widens your perspective, you learn better ways to think, and these are valuable unto themselves as well as to society if you are willing and able so that's why I went and don't regret it (though I did have an eye on a career when I did go, too). — Moliere
I understand Le Rochefoucauld to be saying that a narrative and a motive for acting for oneself is shaped by education. So, there is a "paying of dues" associated with both environments. And that sense of expenditure does play a part in self-image as well as defending one's place in the world. — Paine
Another intersection of the different processes relates to Le Rochefoucauld saying: "Education is a second self-love."
The welding together of pleasure and pain etches a deep mark into the wax in both cases. — Paine