Would it need to be on a national scale out in the public domain in order to be taking place under a different guise? The knowledge for eugenics has never been more complete. — creativesoul

Yeah, but CRISPR is making all that nonsense obsolete. Just watch what new gene therapies will come about to the public in the coming years.

I thought they were disenfranchised mediocre white males. — Banno

I'm thinking more along the lines of the intelligentsia and where they drew their inspiration from to envision a fascist society.

Were they? If so, they weren't very good ones. — creativesoul

What do you mean?

Eugenics isn't dead brother/sister... not by a long shot! — creativesoul

Hmm, where is it still in practice, I mean on a national scale?

Interested in what others think about this.

Weren't the early fascists not all or mostly motivated positivists?

I'd even go as far and say that modernism was a template for the fascist ideals and proteges to be based on in terms of culture aesthetics and socio economic upheavals.

This is a pretty standard interpretation, I think?

By appealing to enhanced efficiency or betterment of living standards through modernism? Standard economics I suppose.

I'm wondering - honestly wondering - what's wrong with a nation's government that puts the interest of it's own citizens as a top priority? — creativesoul

Well, as long as it's not at the detriment of someone or some other nation, then there's nothing wrong with that. Fascism proved otherwise, however.

In terms of economics, fascism always sought to minimize costs and maximize utility on a national scale. So, modernism is a de facto necessity to enhance and embrace such an ideal. So, we disagree on that front at least.

Just to add to my previous post, but it was ultimately that same fascination with building wunderweapons that was Nazi Germany's undoing. Eugenics was (thank God no longer so) a very modernist conception of the future welfare of a nation. People were incentivised to embrace new technology like the radio and vegetarianism. All these seem like modernist visions for a better future society to live in, in my opinion.

People (some?) bring up the notion of entropy to describe some fatalistic notions of the futility of the human will contra Nature's Will. I find that as a gross overgeneralization due to the fact that humans can adapt at a rate faster than what Nature imposes through superfluous notions of 'entropy'.

I find that idiotic to say the least. I hope that's not happening here.

rejection of modernism — Banno

This is interesting. So you would say that fascism rejected modernism?

Nazi Germany was ahead of it's time in terms of exploiting science, technology, and engineering to build a whole list of wonder-weapons. Is this not some technomodernism in practice?

The FBI is great at tracing money. If you can't make Donald hurt now, let's see him wiggle out of the (surrealism) of him laundering money cognizantly or not for the Russian mob.

Please keep in mind that I'm playing devil's advocate with the concept of fascism here. Not to be taken too seriously despite the atrocities that have happened despite the good intents of whoever may have been an actual proponent of fascism in the past, if anything good can be gleaned from fascism itself... So, just making that clear as it should be.

War?

Is there anything wrong with this situation? I do not see a problem with it.


If these are the terms and conditions of life, then so be it

Yes, but those things make goals worthwhile. Without entropy the world would be a boring place, perhaps moreso than it already is.

But it's a trite thing to say about life. Entropy eventually negates all our goals but it's not at a faster rate than what we can muster against.

So, talking about goals. How do we determine which are within grasp or not?

Interesting. So we change our goals as we go by. I guess it depends on the amount of change desired by each goal and if it's attainable. I try and stick to small goals that are within my grasp.

I wouldn't say that all goals create problems. Certain goals like striving for happiness, yes. But striving to avoid unhappiness, not so much. What do you think?

Well, it's mostly by removing yourself from the problem by not entertaining it by doing so that you address the problem. Hence, yes, the Zen part.

Yeah, I meant to say that by focusing on the problem you eliminate it by not entertaining it. Kinda Zen koan'ish?

Pragmatism would say something like, distract yourself with more enjoyable things, with a taste of utilitarianism. Otherwise, focus on the problem and don't entertain it... Would be my take.

What's the alternative though?

But it is good, no?

You can limit their amount though...

Sure, those are small goals that are attainable like going to see your doctor or a visit at the dentist. What's so insurmountable about such goals?

Like what? My only goal is not to be sad or unhappy. Meaning the less goals I have the better off I will be as per Buddhism.

Yes, though some people seem to just want to get by in life. What do you tell those types?

Work is just one manifestation of work.. — schopenhauer1

What does that even mean?

We must work, work, work.. — schopenhauer1

No. Work is becoming redundant with the advent of AI. So, no.

Present example of a fascist state would be China in my view. — ssu

That seems to be the case. Interesting.

Do we bring our own doughnuts and espresso, or will these be provided? — Marcus de Brun

For a small fee of your civil liberties, everything vill vee provided.

:cool:

Does anyone know how fascism looked like in Japan? Was it anything similar to Nazism? I haven't seen much analysis on that aspect of fascism in the past apart from the fixation on German Nazism...

Yes we will have to wait until you grow up into a fully fledged fascist pig (like myself).

Then, the bacon loving hounds will find you. — Marcus de Brun

:scream: :fear:

*Piglet runs away*

Yes. If you remove all the authoritarian aspects of an authoritarian political position, what's left (next to nothing?) is more or less acceptable. Your joke is in dubious taste, I suggest? — Pattern-chaser

It was a bad attempt at summarizing a book I bought a while ago, called Liberal Fascism. Haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

Only the teachers pet could get away with that one! If that were to come offa my keyboard the hounds would be yelping already! — Marcus de Brun

Well, I am a Piglet. So, maybe that helps. :blush: