some things are worth getting upset about. You feel the same way.

thats fair.

Assuming Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are correct (assumption) then it might be that all the accounts of him some how ended up in the Bible. I think Josephus mentioned him. If you don't believe in magic, extra-natural or super-natural then who can blame you for not believing Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

all people become ethical egoists at particular points in there life the moment they draw a conclusion that a certain ethical practice is acceptable or unacceptable.

ok

This doesn't relate to you because it deals with a conversation i had with someone else. I'm done with this site for a while. Some things are just completely unacceptable. Have a good day Leo.

I can deal with someone who is an atheist or agnostic because alot of them have experiences that justify their position but some other people need to forgive themselves, move on with their lives and accept some very basic rational concepts.

Have a good day Leo.

i asked you if pedaphilia was ok. See above posts. You are disgusting. I don't care if this gets me kicked off this site. Can i steal a million dollars from you? Your answer is no. Why the emotional response?

How do you quantify a ton of disagreement. Each nation to some degree comes to some general conclusions on morality. Certain religions from the middle east think extreme sexual perversion is ok. In christianity it is condemned but some denominations don't have the appearance of being true to their faith.

Not a conversation I'd ever do online, because it's impossible to discuss it rationally. — Terrapin Station

terrible. its a fairly common belief that its wrong. Forgive yourself and move on with your life. That was a terrible response on your part. Whatever we have done wrong we should forgive ourselves and try to do better next time.

My original quote is below:

s pedaphilia wrong? — christian2017

Is pedaphilia wrong?

Excessive insistance on moral codes has problems too. If you force others to abide by moral rules, that's oppression, it could even be tyranny, and many people wouldn't agree to a set of moral codes in which oppression is morally acceptable. In my view ultimately it is the will of people that is responsible for how the world is, not the existence or non-existence of agreed upon moral codes. — leo

No. Tyranny can also be when war lords rise up due to a power vacuum caused by a corrupt society that isn't willing to be tamed to some measure. Standards are very often a good thing. War lords don't care about wishy washy touchy feely viewpoints of spoiled brats, they seize opportunities regardless of people's philosophical viewpoints.

i disagree with your logic path. People have always agreed on moral principles to some degree. This is based on a historical perspective.

thanks

Adding this to my journal.

@Terrapin Station
Noah Harrari says it best (watch a few of his videos on youtube)

Excessive drugs have problems, extreme sexual perversion has problems (not homsexuality but extreme sexual perversion), offending others is something everyone does even sometimes when we say nothing at all (life is extremely complicated).

What is the real lasting basis for morality that the widespread materialism offers? In that philosophy you're gonna die, everyone is gonna die, there is nothing after death, while you live you are an aggregate of particles that obeys unchanging laws, your thoughts and feelings are determined by these laws, what moral basis does this view possibly offer?

What is it that prevents most people from going around killing others? Themselves. There is not some higher agreed upon principle that's stopping them, they simply don't want to do it. — leo

There might be a higher agreed upon set of moral code and there might not. Agnosticism is completely acceptable, however Atheism defies reason.

if a extra-natural living entity or creator creates rule a + b leads to c or a + b leads to guilt.

If a + b are met then guilt will happen.

brb. That is a good question. The OP assumes christian philosophy (topic category is philosophy of religion). God may have preordained thought patterns related to his Holy book. Guilt is effected by good decisions and bad decisions. When a God sets things in motion and things happen according to the laws of physics and other constructs that relate to people and decisions, things happen like a domino effect. (this is assuming predestination and scientific determinism is valid).

Guilt could have nothing to do with rational thinking but God sets things up so that very often guilt (in many cases) is associated with rational thought. This is assuming the christian philosophy is correct and it also assumes the Bible supports predestination. See the OP and decide whether you want to ask me why at this specific point in time i believe in scientific determinism and predestination.

if for some reason some one responds to this post, i have stuff to do until Wednesday at 8pm. Have fun philosophizing.

There would probably be a new society in its place with a new order. We may not like it but it would be real. Could we still call Nazi Germany a society? — Brett

Probably the case. I believe the new society would temporarily reject post modernism. I believe post modernism is more of a end of the road thing. Hardened (keyword hardened) poor people tend to reject touchy feely things like post modernism. Blue collar people although very often severely flawed tend to reject post modernism (that last sentence is my opinion so don't request an article supporting that last sentence).

A new society very often forms from people who just previously went through calamity and thus i would call them hardened poor. Lets not get carried away arguing about the term i chose. Perhaps you have a better term or label to use for this discussion.

if you want to skip reading alot of the book, just watch Noah Harrari's youtube videos (2 or 3). Don't pretend you don't know how to search for stuff on youtube. That would be nonsense.

not trying to be rude but write out the formula on a piece of paper and take a picture of it with your phone and post it to this site that way. There are other ways too. Thought this might help. I assume everyone has a phone these days and i know you you have access to a computer.

thanks for posting this.

google or bing "10 dimensions explained" on youtube

God is a 10 dimensional entity. The holy spirit moves up and down all 10 dimensions. Jesus Christ is in the 3rd and 4th dimension and God the father is in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th dimensions. :)

questions and comments?

i would argue out right conflict isn't the only thing we need to fear. When power and control centralized in one location and that control spans the whole world, that will lead to oppression. The question is what is worse, global oppression or one nation fighting another nation semi-continouusly.

I think a global government is unavoidable at some point but i believe there will be a lot of growing pains involved forming a global government that isn't oppressive and unethical.

Just as you said your post was based on observation, my post is also based on observation and certain authors which i will not name at this point.

for other readers: that post that you quoted was to another forum user and not brett.

considering this particular forum topic is on philosophy, i'm not going to go look for an article. Its based on observation. Do your own research, don't do your own research i really don't care. Its great when a person chooses to never get married because the world's best people don't get married: that being said, people who pander to women as though they should be put on some pedastal, in my opinion are some of the most vile people you will meet. Many women see right through this sort of thing.

Telling a women that she is perfect when in fact the guy just thinks she is really cute is not genuine respect.

I'm not going to look for an article on this. I really don't care if you agree with me on this. Good luck finding a mate other than that the world's best people tend to not get married.

:)

Puzzling. I always thought anger was a primary emotion. Children get angry all the time if things don't go their way. I suspect anger to be an infantile response to some lack or desire unfulfilled. — Wallows

Its funny many women won't respect a man who doesn't acknowledge that anger is necessary sometimes. And also women who don't like men who get angry actually will very often let their emotions spew out into anger contrary to their testimony. Anger should be carefully watched but to assert that it is wrong in every case goes against human nature and rational thought. Ocassio Cortez is a prime example.

The problem is many post modernists can't judge correctly what are important issues. Many post modernists such as Richard Dawkins think that pedaphilia is ok. When a society gets that dumb, the end of that society is right around the corner.

What has not changed is the realization that evolution is not directed by some external intelligence. That is why it was a revolution in human understanding. — Fooloso4

That would be hard to prove. You are essentially saying you've found proof that gods or a God doesn't exist. Not likely that you've found proof of that.

i hate predestination but what you said is why scientific determinism (the concept) was developed around the turn of 19th century (early 1800s). When the whole universe is connected in different ways (gravitiation pull), light traveling in vacuums as well as through material, chemical and biological interactions, dna and brain structure, and so on, it is very hard sometimes to actually believe we have complete or any control over our life. A great book to read is "a brief history of time" by stephen hawkings.

the core of depression and suffering is really the ability to feel the need to think deeply. The worm doesn't question "God" as to why it has no legs. It just eats and poops and treats food like a drug. I'm not saying we should think deeply or not think deeply but a single celled organism is fully capable of reproducing quickly without growing into a deep thinking depressed human. Humans are said to have developed religion as a way to produce large populations but i feel from a emotional and practical stand point the smaller and less complicated we are the better we are. (single celled organism). i believe Humans are a reflection of a deep thinking and depressed extra-natural (my term) creator.

If you have something substantive to say I will respond otherwise I am done. — Fooloso4

i say the same to you. Some of the things you said in your previous post i would agree with its just i didn't say them just like you. However i can promise you that Darwin didn't understand evolution the way the modern evolutionist understands it. Darwin essentially made conjecture and he just happened to be correct for the most part. I won't be going to you for medical advice and i won't be going to you for information on evolution. Like i said before, i do believe in evolution or at the very least am fairly certain it is a reality.

i think its great when people choose not to get married and i believe the best people in the world tend to not get married. That being said if you don't want to get angry and don't want to yell at people then don't get married.

i accept evolution too. These doctors who believe in gods or a God also believe these gods directed evolution. As too you assuming this is a simple subject that can be studied by reading a single 10 page article is dumb on this particular matter. Good luck understanding evolution completely without studying the subject for years on end. I'm not saying you have to go to a university but you will have to go the library and do alot of reading.

i see too many "coincidences" to deny some form of a supernatural or extra natural as just started calling it. I might just be an idiot that isn't good at making good observations and there is in fact no real extra natural entity/creature out there.

Self-organization occurs in many physical, chemical, biological, robotic, and cognitive systems. Examples of self-organization include crystallization, thermal convection of fluids, chemical oscillation, animal swarming, neural circuits, and artificial neural networks.

taken from wikipedia

Why would it be a surprise for self organizing systems to appear in artificial neural networks? I don't believe you've read more than 10 pages on this subject from anyone source and the reason thats important is that to find self organizing systems in biology you would have to move towards the threshold of becoming a doctor or some form of a biologist. If your trying to tell me i can study this subject for 30 days 8 hours a day and some how gain the right to tell people i'm right or that your wrong about this given subject, i believe you are severely mistaken. There are plenty of doctors that believe in gods or a God.

i guess i'll cry myself to sleep tonight. Don't go getting your feelings hurt. I will look up some articles on that subject. Actually predestination unfortunately allows for just about anything. Read the book "a brief history of time by stephen hawkings or look up scientific determinism.

considering all the money hungry pastors out there i can see why some people dismiss all the coincidences this world displays. That being said some believe organized religion came about when populations got concentrated in city states such as ancient sumer/mesopotamia. I believe religiousness and religions predate humans and actually goes back to Apes and chimpanzees and even monkeys.