[5] Vague speculation : a belief without sound basis

This would be my most accurate, classical definition of mysticism. As a pantheist, I believe that everything in the observable universe is our to observe. The word "supernatural" is a misnomer... there is nothing beyond God's nature.

"Authentic morality is a by-product of consciousness. And the art of consciousness is religion. There is no Hindu religion, there is no Christian religion, there is no Mohammedan religion; there is only one religion, and that is the religion of consciousness – becoming so aware, so enlightened and awakened, that you have eyes to see clearly and can respond according to that clarity."

Just beautiful.

All is one, whether it is Logos or God, the relative and the absolute. The only time this is not true is when you disassociate God into divisions, which is humanity's flawed MO.

"And some of the accomplishments of conceptual thought are: medicine, art, technology, science, space exploration, engineering, the Internet, etc. Not bad eh?"

You are right, not fully bad. Respectfully, I'm sorry for using your quote but it reminds me of a reply from a catholic engineer, when I told him that there is proof that primates and others, have been using tools and maybe it is God's plan, evolution of all things over large spans of time. He said, "can they make 777s?"

My point is this, we can conceptually create many things but if they betray our environment, like a 777 clearly does, is this human exclusivity all that? Maybe primates would stick with using nature as guide instead of un-natural human needs.

When I look at history and go way back, and see what humanity has went thru, these lockdowns are way down the list of tribulations that we have survived. If anyone follows the words of Marcus Aurelius, you can see that most of the modern comfort creatures that would dry up and blow away when the stores close, are purely humanists not interested in seeing the universe as a whole.

"Can you justify morality without religion?"

I wrote something and then realized that the word "religion" has to be defined further. Many ancient and modern animistic cultures that had no highly organized and human centric "religion" yet, still had natural links to spirituality and some hierarchies within these as a shaman might be. They clearly held objectively good moral values as they have been observed to have in modern tribal culture... certainly no less objectively ethical than modern judeo-christian cultures.

IMO and something I've held for a long time, is that modern religion is flawed by it's human centric message and more importantly, the division of all things from God, as opposed to the view that God is truly omnipotent and omnipresent in every single thing, animate and inanimate. It is arguable, that modern religions have been the cause for much of modern man's suffering, all in the name of "religion."

I'm new here and this is my first post. Thanks for having me! regards, mike