I explicitly said that I wasn’t talking about religious faith necessary. — praxis
It is pointless to continue. I suggest, if it interests you, to study what religion is: how and why it may have developed and the role it plays in society. Then perhaps you’ll be able to untangle concepts like faith and mysticism from religion. — praxis
These kind of arguments seem kind of fruitless to me. People can and do live different lives from each other, can and do feel differently about things, can and do have different sets of values, and can and do order them differently in terms of priority. That's the case with you two. You don't have to see eye to on this, you know? It's not like there's an answer in the same way that there's an answer to what 2 + 2 equals or what planet we're on. — S
Animals can only know reality through observation. They navigate through life with their instinct.
Humans navigate with reason. — AppLeo
It would be more 'reasonable' to think of reason and instinct as a continuum rather than either/or. Non-human animals can exercise some reason and some human behaviors are instinctual. — Bitter Crank
Ayn Rand would hold the billionaires as virtuous, not some young buck who just read “Atlas Shrugged” for the first time and thought he was one of their club and who spends hours a day on a philosophy forum trying and failing to make a coherent argument. lol — Noah Te Stroete
It would be more 'reasonable' to think of reason and instinct as a continuum rather than either/or. Non-human animals can exercise some reason and some human behaviors are instinctual. — Bitter Crank
People who believe in God tell homosexuals that they be homosexual. Homosexuals are forced to suppress themselves and are told that they will burn in hell if they don't. Why? Because it's based on faith. Any rational person would tell you to be homosexual if it makes you happy. — AppLeo
Or when someone is is suffering from cancer, but they have this irrational belief that God is testing their faith. That if they rely on a doctor to save them that must mean that they don't trust God to do what's right for their life. And there are people who take their faith seriously and would actually deny help from a doctor. — AppLeo
I mean yeah, but that observation is trivial and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Humans need to reason and cannot rely on instinct to live. — AppLeo
As for animals reasoning, we have observed birds and mammals both doing problem solving. Crows are not reading Aristotle, but they have problems and they solve them--sometimes. We don't always solve our problems either, and we are reading Aristotle. — Bitter Crank
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