They're called 'fake barn' cases. — Bartricks
They're called 'fake barn' cases. — Bartricks
Yeah, I've heard of 'em. Those are easy to refute as well. — creativesoul
Argh! My apologies. You're right. — creativesoul
Let's look at Case I... — creativesoul
Smith believed Jones would get the job, and no one else. — creativesoul
Do you understand that? — creativesoul
Smith believed Jones would get the job, and no one else. — creativesoul
I mean, how the hell does this:
Smith believed Jones would get the job, and no one else.
— creativesoul
refute them?!? — Bartricks
To overcome them you'd need to specify a mechanism of belief acquisition that did not guarantee the truth of the beliefs it leads to, yet is immune to Gettier-style refutation — Bartricks
Smith believes Jones will get the job. We agree here, right? — creativesoul
I'm more than happy to explain it, if you're willing to listen. — creativesoul
Read the article and then read some commentaries on it. — Bartricks
Oh, believe me... I've studied it very carefully. — creativesoul
Here's the rub...
Smith's belief is about Jones, not anyone else. Someone other than Jones gets the job. Smith's belief is false. The referent of "the man with ten coins in his pocket" is Jones... not Smith. — creativesoul
He believes 'the person who will get the job has ten coins in his pocket". — Bartricks
That's it?? — Bartricks
Which makes it all the sadder that you don't understand them. — Bartricks
That's the sleight of hand my good man. — creativesoul
The relevant belief is... ..."the person who will get the job has 10 coins in his pocket". — Bartricks
As I said, what's core to a Gettier example is that a person forms a belief in an epistemically responsible fashion, and the belief is true... — Bartricks
Which makes it all the sadder that you don't understand them. — Bartricks
:wink:
Yeah, that's it... — creativesoul
The relevant belief is... ..."the person who will get the job has 10 coins in his pocket". — Bartricks
Yes!
Bullseye!!!
Who's belief is it, and who precisely does it refer to? Not Smith.
I suggest you re-read what I've written tonight. — creativesoul
Don't be such a dick. — creativesoul
Now Smith believes that the person who gets the job has 10 coins in his pocket. And it turns out that the belief is true. — Bartricks
Smith's belief is that Jones is the man with ten coins in his pocket who will get the job. That belief is false. No problem for JTB. — creativesoul
If that person is anyone other than Jones, — creativesoul
Have the decency to read my example. I — Bartricks
I have not carefully read your examples. — creativesoul
you're just plain wrong. — Bartricks
You've not offered a valid objection to what I've offered. Hand waving won't cut it. Bald assertions won't do either. — creativesoul
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