I think in the process of reacting to them, you've become similar to them in some respects, namely the adoption of a political lens and disregard for facts. — frank
This is a new technology, fairly new anyway. Do you understand what the Pfizer vaccine does? — frank
do not. Nor do I wish to invest the time or resources required to make myself an expert on the matter. Thus, I default to those who have made that investment. I know there's risk involved in that and I'm willing to take that risk. — James Riley
If you knew how bizarre the function of these vaccines actually is, it might help you understand what I'm saying. — frank
If someone out there declines that risk, it's ok. Herd immunity doesn't require 100%. — frank
I don't understand those who see politics instead of real people. — frank
heard it's like 70+% and we are not there yet, thanks to those who decline to take the risk. — James Riley
I think people should be free to take or reject the vaccine. — Apollodorus
A lot of states are at around 50%, right. That plus immunity from infection has to put us pretty close. — frank
Early on they were saying that even if everyone one in the U.S. got the vax, it would do no good if the rest of the planet was ginning up a bunch of variants that could pierce the vax. — James Riley
Some northern European country was trying the herd immunity idea and scientists said that wouldn't work due to variants. — James Riley
I think the conventional wisdom now is that this virus is here to stay. Like with the flu, a bunch of people will die every year from it. — frank
So far the variants haven't been a problem. If the spike protein changes significantly, they would have to make another vaccine. That wouldn't take long, though. — frank
: "Covid-shmovid. This is not the big one. Not even close. The big one will not be Covid or a Covid variant. It will be more transmissible and more lethal by huge orders of magnitude." — James Riley
Question is, given that Covid may or may not have been transmitted to us by animal vectors, will the "big one" be transmitted by animals or will it escape or "escape" from a lab? — Janus
I blame it on mass media. — Wayfarer
since the new administration came into office, the US vaccination program has actually been pretty good, unlike what it would have been under the useless previous administration — Wayfarer
The only side affects seem to be Bill Gates telling me to buy more MicroSoft Products. I haven't been able to figure that one out yet, but I'm dystopian-loving sheep so we're all good. — James Riley
That is true. But I still think it’s well-established that the risks from COVID are far higher than the risks from any of the vaccines. Still, my relatives, if they say they would prefer to avoid the AZ vaccine, I certainly wouldn’t try and talk them into getting it. — Wayfarer
What are the arguments for and against the responsibility that individuals might be thought to bear to accept a Covid 19 vaccine? What are the arguments for and against the right that individuals might be thought to enjoy to refuse a Covid 19 vaccine? — Janus
What are the arguments for and against the responsibility that individuals might be thought to bear to accept a Covid 19 vaccine? — Janus
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