We've always held that dangerous speech should be censored.
Indeed. Hence fetish: an object believed to have special power to protect.
We've always held that dangerous speech should be censored.
For a long time we thought some people should be slaves. The prevalence of the denial of some right is certainly not an argument against the right itself. — NOS4A2
Police power as defined by Chief Justice Marshall is certainly broad enough to counter the mass dissemination of false information during a pandemic. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/property-and-police-powerHmm. Much as I wish it were true, I'm not seeing it. — Banno
I don't recall making this strawman argument, so I don't think I'll be defending it. Really, the Feds have only complained publicly, they aren't shutting down social media. Social media has elected to censor and fact check; denying them the right to do so would be more of an infringement than the complaints made here. But, I'm bias, if it was my uneducated fever dreams being shut down, then I might have a different position.Yes. When is yelling "Vaccines aren't safe" when they are safe, the equivalent of yelling "Fire" in the theater when there is no fire? — James Riley
Like Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, and Castro, totalitarian governments abide by the dictum: "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."
This is exactly what the Biden Administration, using the cover of the issue of Covid vaccination, is seeking to accomplish right now in the USA in intimate cooperation with the leadership and censorship activities of Facebook, Twitter, etc. — charles ferraro
I don't recall making this strawman argument, so I don't think I'll be defending it. — Cheshire
Ok, that's fair, I must have misattributed the context.No need. It wasn't really straw man, but rather, a natural extension of the Chief Justice Marshal reasoning you put up and with which I agree. — James Riley
Ok, that's fair, I must have misattributed the context. — Cheshire
Well, we have a special situation where politicians tried to use a public health crisis as a political football. So, now we have a group whose political identity is tied to the denial of a pandemic. So, the suppression, if it can be called that, of inaccurate medical information is intertwined with political positions. The ethics of public health out weigh the ethics of politically driven misinformation. They could probably be quite a bit stricter and still pass based on the exceptions for Police Power to the ends of public health.It does not matter if it is effective or not. What matters is the ethics and politics of the situation, whether the state should determine what can and cannot be said, and so on. — NOS4A2
SO do you folk agree that opposing the vaccine is a bad thing?
I mean, do oyu honestly think that folk ought not get vaccinated?
Why? — Banno
Well, we have a special situation where politicians tried to use a public health crisis as a political football. So, now we have a group whose political identity is tied to the denial of a pandemic. So, the suppression, if it can be called that, of inaccurate medical information is intertwined with political positions. The ethics of public health out weigh the ethics of politically driven misinformation. They could probably be quite a bit stricter and still pass based on the exceptions for Police Power to the ends of public health.
And I disagree. If the censorship is "not effective" then one isn't being censored; are they?
No, it becomes a political issue when the idiot president pretends it doesn't exist cause it makes him look bad. What you are mentioning are called legal issues covered by due process. The Right tried to do the same thing with civil rights after the world watched a man be murdered in the streets and it blew up in their face.When politicians and their health officials can shut down entire industries, control the free flow of information, and rule by decree, it necessarily becomes a political issue. Authoritarianism isn’t the only way to educate and prepare the public for threats to public health, but our so-called liberal democracies have proven that they are willing to resort to such tactics. — NOS4A2
When politicians and their health officials can shut down entire industries, control the free flow of information, and rule by decree, it necessarily becomes a political issue. — NOS4A2
Do it. Where's a .gov link that supports the existence of anything you mentioned. Executive actions are part of the public record.I wonder if I should report this thread and this site for not complying with the Biden Administration executive orders on freedom of speech restrictions. — InPitzotl
I don’t get the question. — NOS4A2
I thought it was common knowledge at this point. — NOS4A2
I think you're falling prey to Poe's Law. To me, this thread is just a bunch of hyperbolic nonsense; I read "This is exactly what the Biden Administration, using the cover of the issue of Covid vaccination, is seeking to accomplish right now in the USA in intimate cooperation with the leadership and censorship activities of Facebook, Twitter, etc." as saying that Biden is Hitler because Facebook won't let me post Covid-19 conspiracy theories on their site.Where's a .gov link that supports the existence of anything you mentioned. — Cheshire
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