I haven’t kept up to date with things, but the last time I was there hadn’t been any cogent demonstrations of the effectiveness of lockdowns. — AJJ
Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks. — General Buck Turgidson
You’re beginning to get upset — AJJ
Not at all. I was not accusing you of being cavalier, but suggesting that you could be taken that way if you weren't pretty careful about how you compared death tolls, and how you relied on different death tolls in arguing. (I didn't say you were Buck Turgidson, just that you don't want to sound like him.) — Srap Tasmaner
But I wouldn't try arguing that we didn't need to do lockdowns because far fewer people have died than in some of the early speculative projections. — Srap Tasmaner
This is the question begging bit. — AJJ
I misunderstood what you said. But even so, I didn’t argue that. — AJJ
You seem certain that they weren't; I suspect they helped. It should be an empirical question, but it's a very difficult one, for me anyway. — Srap Tasmaner
The only reason I made the point about how your point "might sound" -- and you're right, it's kinda none of my business -- is that I wanted to see questions about lockdowns discussed seriously, and that means keeping people who raise the issue from being dismissed as loonies. — Srap Tasmaner
Always consider the possibility that if one is unable to convince others with rational arguments, one's arguments might not be as rational and objective as one thinks. — Tzeentch
But from what I’ve seen, from an empirical perspective the argument against lockdowns is very strong — AJJ
there hadn’t been any cogent demonstrations of the effectiveness of lockdowns — AJJ
... does this:
1. They say things
2. They become upset when asked to defend what they say
3. They beg the question
4. And ultimately pretend that no argument against their position has been made — AJJ
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