It is irrefutable that only a consciousness brings the wave function to collapse. — SolarWind
It is even more irrefutable that wave function collapse does not require consciousness. It seems that others are pointing this out. Wigner himself abandoned this interpretation when it was shown to logically lead to solipsism. Solipsism is another irrefutable thing.It is irrefutable that only a consciousness brings the wave function to collapse. — SolarWind
Metaphysically, it is one system interacting with another, in any way.What counts as an observer? — TiredThinker
You can't watch a photon. If you measure its path, any interference disappears.Can they use an electronic eye to see and record where the photon actually goes
Human awareness does not play a metaphysical role (except in the Wigner interpretation). A result can be kept in superposition, but I know of no way to 'delete' a measured result.and half the time delete the results before a human becomes aware of it
The E-eye is not necessary either. Any interaction (the photon hitting the far wall in a room with no people or sensory devices) is enough to collapse the wave function, in interpretations with wave function collapse.I want to know if the electronic eye is interfering with the experiment and collapsing the wave function, or if it is awareness by a conscious human being.
Can they use an electronic eye to see and record where the photon actually goes, and half the time delete the results before a human becomes aware of it and half the time let it known to a human? I want to know if the electronic eye is interfering with the experiment and collapsing the wave function, or if it is awareness by a conscious human being. — TiredThinker
I want to know if the electronic eye is interfering with the experiment and collapsing the wave function, or if it is awareness by a conscious human being. — TiredThinker
I doubt matter underlying the wave function ever fully collapses, as if an absolute demarcation between coherence and decoherence exists, but rather morphs into different shapes and formations depending . . . — Enrique
I was wondering how many versions of this experiment have been run? — TiredThinker
Can they use an electronic eye to see and record where the photon actually goes, and half the time delete the results before a human becomes aware of it and half the time let it known to a human? — TiredThinker
Kenosha Kid is probably out making millions with his guitar rather than really important work like clarifying physics on this forum. :sad: — jgill
It is irrefutable that only a consciousness brings the wave function to collapse. — SolarWind
I doubt matter underlying the wave function ever fully collapses — Enrique
The material properties of, say, an electron (mass, charge, lepton number, etc.) certainly do transcend whatever's going on with the wavefunction if that's what you mean. — Kenosha Kid
As I understand it, the "collapse of the wave function" essentially models matter insofar as large quantities of interacting particles give rise to contexts of decoherence, resulting in definite statistical distributions relating initial and final states, beyond which the probabilities are effectively negligible. — Enrique
Perhaps you can explain to us how this "coherence" or quantum entanglement amongst wavicles is modeled. Local hidden variables were ruled out by experiment, so where is theory currently at in accounting for nonlocality? — Enrique
When I first heard about the double slit experiment it gave me hope that our thoughts are more than just random electrical signals in a brain, which has always seemed too unreliable from a psychological point of view. — TiredThinker
So if we sent 1 photon at a time at the slits and try to detect which slit they go through it would collapse the wave function whether or not a person checks the hard drive of results to compare against the background pattern? — TiredThinker
The particle would collapse upon scattering with the photon and the pattern that would build up would be a classical double Gaussian rather than the stripes characteristic of interference. — Kenosha Kid
Most atoms are going to be transparent to radio waves simply because, whatever energy levels the electrons are at, jumping to the next one up will require more energy. — Kenosha Kid
Cool.modular space-time — Kenosha Kid
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