Imagine if there were no secular arts.If you check out information about Shamanism, all the papers written by specialists, agree with the fact that shamans are related to some kind of religion — javi2541997
In indigenous times, there was no demarcation between spiritual and secular. — Yohan
I agree.Well, yes. But this is due to the fact that they didn't experience Enlightenment until the colonialism turned up. There was no demarcation because they didn't know what a secular system was about. I mean, they way of life was full of metaphors and shamanic rituals. Their citizens didn't have other choices. — javi2541997
Actually, I think God can be taken out of a religious context too. But it has a lot to do with linguistics. — Yohan
And what of today? Are not the masses cave men with smartphones? — Yohan
I dunno. It may be a natural hierarchy. In the ancient Indian caste system, the Brahmins, or scholarly class, were the smallest class. Today philosophers and scientists are still the minority. If everyone performed the duty of the scholars, who would farm and build?It is true that primitive group were not less developed. But for a lot of reasons they weren't part of the "progress" because some decided to got stuck in their primitive thoughts and ideas while other groups started to develop different ideas. — javi2541997
I thinks mythology was important in every ancient culture. Most are of it has not been preserved.You put a good example: mythology. This area of knowledge was pretty important to Ancient Greece, indeed. But keep in mind that it was "primitive" according to Plato and Socratic philosophers. — javi2541997
Today philosophers and scientists are still the minority. If everyone performed the duty of the scholars, who would farm and build? — Yohan
:100:God" is an elementary religious subterfuge used by all the religions. — javi2541997
I guess it would be helpful if you could give us your perspective on what Shamanism is and how its practiced.
Is this a personal belief or is there an evidence/documentation about that?Shamanism is the root of all religious, spiritual and philosophical systems. — Bret Bernhoft
Again what is the reference you are using regarding time? Not that it is important per se, of course, but it has to do with the validity of the history of Shamanism, which you are bringing in.Our human (and non-human) ancestors have practiced Shamanism as far back as 100,000 years, all around the planet — Bret Bernhoft
Do you really believe that such a video or what the people do in it, can heal? Or that it can offer useful and important knowledge about life and existence, i.e. philosophical ideas, education, etc. ... (Besides what one should avoid doing?)Technoshamanism — Bret Bernhoft
Just to make sure: Do you mean that Shamanism is more refined, of higher quality and class than philosophy as a system and quest for wisdom?I make the claim that Shamanism is more quintessential than all other religious, spiritual and philosophical systems. — Bret Bernhoft
...And that science (itself) is a shamanic practice; — Bret Bernhoft
Then, what do you mean by "and non-human"? Someone like this: :naughty: ?
:grin: — Alkis Piskas
Is this a personal belief or is there an evidence/documentation about that? Because I have a difficulty connecting Shamanism to ancient philosophy --Egyptian, Greek, Chinese or other.
Again what is the reference you are using regarding time? Not that it is important per se, of course, but it has to do with the validity of the history of Shamanism, which you are bringing in.
Then, what do you mean by "and non-human"?
Do you really believe that such a video or what the people do in it, can heal? Or that it can offer useful and important knowledge about life and existence, i.e. philosophical ideas, education, etc.
Just to make sure: Do you mean that Shamanism is more refined, of higher quality and class than philosophy as a system and quest for wisdom?
Bret, were you under drugs when you posted this?
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Confirmation bias is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their existing beliefs or hypotheses.
Confirmation bias happens when a person gives more weight to evidence that confirms their beliefs and undervalues evidence that could disprove it.
People display this bias when they gather or recall information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way.
The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. — How Confirmation Bias Works
Every entity, any entity (from living animals to eternal tulpas) utilize elements of Shamanism. You do too, whether you acknowledge it or not. — Bret Bernhoft
Where is that plenty of documentation? Where is this evidence around me?There is plenty of documentation, the evidence is all around you. — Bret Bernhoft
Let's see what Wikipedia says:And if you have a difficult time connecting the dots between Shamanism and ancient human philosophy, I would encourage you to investigate Divination, Hermeticism and Gnosis — Bret Bernhoft
So, there no documentation about the 100,000 years you mentioned and it was just a figure of speech. meaning that Shamanism existed from the beginning of times, right? That is, before humans or even life appeared in the Universe?Shamanism is timeless — Bret Bernhoft
Ah, I see. You meant animals. OK. I couldn't think of that ...Every entity, any entity (from living animals to eternal tulpas) utilize elements of Shamanism. — Bret Bernhoft
OK. I admit I can't.If you're referring to the first video I shared, then my answer is "Yes". You probably don't appreciate what you're looking at there. — Bret Bernhoft
OK. this is too much! :angry: You have just killed my patience and goodwill in responding to you about this fiction you have posted and total lack of logic you are demonstrating.Learn to code. And ascend. — Bret Bernhoft
Please don't see it as criticism. — Alkis Piskas
(and non-human) ancestors — Bret Bernhoft
You are rtight to say that. But see, usually, and in everyday life, esp. in personal relationships, criticism is viewed in a negative sense; mainly as an effort to find only faults in someone's words, behaviour, etc., i.e. trying to see only negative things in something or someone. And this was the case in this OP: I found only faults. And it's not the first time. That's why sometimes my comments have a bad reception from the other side, even I give good and a lot of reasons why a term, statement, argument is wrong of wrongly used. So, I call sometimes this as "constructive criticism".Why post to a philosophy forum if you are not looking for criticism? — Banno
You are right. I forgot about ancestors!But he said, specifically, non-humans ancestors — javi2541997
Exactly. And that's why I stopped caring. I suggest you do the same thing, otherwise you might have shamanic nightmares! :grin:But there are still more questions than answers... — javi2541997
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